Michael Pajaro wrote:
sorry but this KARR has nothing to do with the KARR from the original series. It is not the same CPU, not the same software. It is a completely brand-spanking-new entity.
YAY! OH THANK GOD, YAY!
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Michael Pajaro wrote:
sorry but this KARR has nothing to do with the KARR from the original series. It is not the same CPU, not the same software. It is a completely brand-spanking-new entity.
Wait, what? Do you know this as fact from the writers/producers of this new series? I don't believe they are ignoring the original KITT or KARR. We already had it said there was Micheal Knight and KI2T. It's safe to assume there is still a prototype from the 80's is not going to be ignored.Michael Pajaro wrote:
I think you're missing the point. In this version of Knight Rider, the Trans Am KARR never existed. They are playing with the timeline. Let's not get too hung up on the name, it is what it is. I'm hoping that very soon everyone will be able to see what I saw and nobody will care what the robot is called; they'll just be excited to see a bad-ass villain in an upcoming episode.
I'm sorry I'm quoting/reply posting everything you say, but you have to remember that this show is not only for us nerds, it's for anybody who has watched the entire series from last February. I believe the only details not "cannon" from the pilot is probably KITT. He's the only thing that has so far changed drastically (besides Mike's tattoo) that I've seen. The background story from what we have been told through on everything thus far has kind of stuck. No, I don't believe the REBOOTS we have seen have ridiculously altered the way we've been told a story. Everything, including KITT's attack mode/transformations can be assumed he experienced upgrades. But besides that, nothing seems that have been purposely forgotten......except Mike's best buddy.Michael Pajaro wrote:Two things: The pilot movie that aired in February is NOT canon for the series. Gary Scott Thompson has been absolutely clear about that.
I'm not one to give odds but let me give some encouraging perspective: (you could counter-argue most of these points, but I'm giving it a positive spin.)Tony P Knight Driver wrote: Keeping in mind ratings are the real deciding factor, what would you estimate the chances of the show seeing a second season?
"not canon" for the series. Huh. Now I REALLY wanna know how Mike and Sarah came on board.Michael Pajaro wrote:Two things: The pilot movie that aired in February is NOT canon for the series. Gary Scott Thompson has been absolutely clear about that.
And even though the new series DOES acknowledge that there was an original KITT that was a Trans Am, that does NOT automatically mean they acknowledge a Trans Am version of KARR. There is nothing we've seen or heard in the series or in speaking with cast and crew that suggests this KARR is the same character. And the circumstantial evidence overwhelmingly says that it is a brand new character unrelated to the Trans Am.
We can go back and forth forever on this; we'll know for sure in a little over the month. But from my perspective it doesn't really matter whether or not this is the same character. I'm just excited that it looks like they're raising the stakes and bringing some big action to the show.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. As others have already pointed out, this seems like the writers are changing the game to suit their own needs and more or less doing what they want. I knew all along that the series was only 'loosely' based on the backdoor pilot, so any facts established in it were potentially subject to change. And so far nothing I've seen has even really contradicted the pilot; it's only just mostly ignored it which is fine. And ignoring Knight Rider 2000, Team Knight Rider and Knight Rider 2010 is fine, too, which in those cases I would agree is probably the smartest thing to do.Michael Pajaro wrote:I think you're missing the point. In this version of Knight Rider, the Trans Am KARR never existed. They are playing with the timeline. Let's not get too hung up on the name, it is what it is. I'm hoping that very soon everyone will be able to see what I saw and nobody will care what the robot is called; they'll just be excited to see a bad-ass villain in an upcoming episode.
Still reminds me of robo cop 2Michael Pajaro wrote:
There we go. And if others want us to stop complaining then they better start doing things right and stop changing the rules when it suits them.Lost Knight wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa. As others have already pointed out, this seems like the writers are changing the game to suit their own needs and more or less doing what they want. I knew all along that the series was only 'loosely' based on the backdoor pilot, so any facts established in it were potentially subject to change. And so far nothing I've seen has even really contradicted the pilot; it's only just mostly ignored it which is fine. And ignoring Knight Rider 2000, Team Knight Rider and Knight Rider 2010 is fine, too, which in those cases I would agree is probably the smartest thing to do.Michael Pajaro wrote:I think you're missing the point. In this version of Knight Rider, the Trans Am KARR never existed. They are playing with the timeline. Let's not get too hung up on the name, it is what it is. I'm hoping that very soon everyone will be able to see what I saw and nobody will care what the robot is called; they'll just be excited to see a bad-ass villain in an upcoming episode.
But as for this "sequel" series now messing around with the timeline if it's true is just plain irresponsible and wrong. The writers need to pick a direction and stick with it, not just change things around because no one wanted to pay close enough attention to the original series' mythology. It isn't that difficult and there weren't all that many story arcs in the original series, especially regarding K.A.R.R. who was only in two episodes. They want to make it a sequel? Connect the mythology or just ignore it but without contradicting previously established canon. They want to do a reimagining? Change things around as much as they want. But you can't do it both ways.
Mike named himself after his father, Michael Knight, and he even acknowledged that his dad's original last name was Michael Long in the first episode. That already establishes this series as a sequel. And now it just doesn't make any sense to simply pick and choose only the elements they want to acknowledge. They can ignore as much as they want and the revisionist history with Graiman building the original K.I.T.T. pushed things far enough, but that's where it should have stopped.
It does seem like this final episode is the best the series has to offer from the sound of things, and I am still looking forward to it. But it really isn't that damn hard to still do things a new way while at the same time connecting the dots, so to speak. OK, I feel better getting out that rant now...