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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by Lost Knight » Sat May 10, 2008 3:10 am

knightprobe89 wrote:i think its really screwed up that the producers dont want the hoff to have any on screen involvement in the new series, he is suppose to be the father of mike tracer, i think without a hasselhoff involvement the series is doomed to fail, he is the only link left from the original knight rider and he needs to be a part of the series, i personally think he should be the new boss of flag, he could be the new devon miles, that would be aewsome. leave it to nbc to screw things up!!! :evil: :evil:
I can understand that, and it's frankly the logical course of action to take IF Michael Knight was to be a central character involved. However, we have to look at this from the producers' point of view (who, by the way, are the ones who have the final say here), which is to follow the "do our own thing" mentality. The producers as well as NBC Universal want to go in their own direction, as what should be obvious from the backdoor pilot regardless of Gary Scott Thompson's new involvement.

And honestly, would you really want to rehash exactly what someone else has already done 25 years ago, or would you want to establish your own creativity and put your own mark on the franchise if you were in charge? Hollywood is obviously an ego-driven place, and these types of issues sculpt the popular culture that you, me and everyone else is subjected to.
PHOENIXZERO wrote:I expected that possibly being a reason but as I said in another topic. I think he's too unreliable to be a regular unless he's completely cleaned up and sober, it's not going to happen. Plus I think he'd work better in a limited role anyway. Have the Michael Knight (and KITT) appearances mean something and be special, not just be another regular cast member who you see every week.
I have to disagree. I don't believe at all that David Hasselhoff is unreliable because of a leaked video of him being drunk (in the privacy of his own home and as if nobody else in the world gets drunk regularly themselves). If the man had a reputation of not showing up to acting gigs because of his alcoholism there'd be a valid point, but his alcoholism has never affected his performances as an actor at all. It's merely affected his overall image as an actor, not his actual performances or reliability. Michael Knight is obviously probably the most important role to him that he's ever played (at least I have the distinct impression that that's the only role he currently cares about and has been waiting for the opportunity to reprise).

I do agree with you that he would work better in a limited role, however. I'd even go so far as to say that perhaps the season should lead towards hinting at his possible involvement even without classic K.I.T.T. (and let's face it: William Daniels is not likely to come back to the television franchise nor the motion picture). If we saw Hasselhoff every week, it certainly would take away the mystique of his character and force the writers to provide more expository dialogue referencing the original series.

Justin Bruening and Deanna Russo deserve a chance to make it on their own two feet first, without the smothering persona of Hasselhoff overshadowing the entire cast's performances. It's actually quite selfish for Hasselhoff to demand as big of a role as he is for this reason alone. It's very obvious to me that this is one of the reasons the producers barely want Hasselhoff in this at all. If the series is struggling in ratings, pull out all stops and get his character in there. But from Hasselhoff's point of view, he should set his Hollywood ego aside and look at the bigger picture and give these new kids a chance. He is extremely eager to have a more prominent role as his most popular character after 25 years, but for his sake, I hope he has acquired wisdom as well.

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I believe you posted your response at the very same time I posted mine, so please forgive any redundant points we both made.
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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by Sue » Sat May 10, 2008 3:47 am

ilana wrote: It's exactly what I wanted to say. Hasselhoff is a professional. He has been working for 40 years in the bisness. He was one of the biggest reason of the success of Knight Rider, he knows everything about the show. He deserves respect, at least. :evil: I'm sure that his involvement would just make the show better.
If he decides to leave the show, I support him.
I think they are looking for a fresh young perspective rather than years of experience. It’s the same reason Glen Larson has been shut out. But hey Ilana, if David Hasselhoff can’t find any love on Knightrideronline, then where can he find it? So I’m glad for his sake that people like you exist.
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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by goldbug » Sat May 10, 2008 6:27 am

KITTfan wrote:I think one thing has been forgotten in this conversation, didn't Hasselhoff turned one tv-series called Baywatch a huge success being behind and in front of the camera?
Absolutely, but there are two differences:

1) Hoff was a producer on "Baywatch", it was largely his baby in many ways. This new KR is not.

2) "Baywatch" was a very different series than "Knight Rider". Both had cheese factor, but it'd be a lie to say that "Baywatch" did not rely heavily on its babe and butch factor to draw in ratings. Its drama varied across the board from interpersonal relationships to life saving drama. KR was a buddy cop show that used a scifi premise of a cool car and a man seeking justice. Not quite the same thing.
PHOENIXZERO wrote:Have the Michael Knight (and KITT) appearances mean something and be special, not just be another regular cast member who you see every week.
Agreed. I do think he could handle a regular role on the series if he had to, which he does on "America's Got Talent" show. However, if he appears week after week then the show is no longer about Mike Traceur and KITT 3000, it becomes about Michael Knight. That's not a good way for a show to establish its own identity.
ilana wrote:When the pilot series was finished and David did his work, they excplained they does not need him any more.
I'm curious where any of the producers and/or writers said they do not want Hoff in the new series? I'd like to read the article. Saying they don't want his creative input is not the same as not wanting him to be a guest star.
sue wrote:It’s the same reason Glen Larson has been shut out. But hey Ilana, if David Hasselhoff can’t find any love on Knightrideronline, then where can he find it? So I’m glad for his sake that people like you exist.
To clarify, Larson is currently working on his own feature film project of KR, that's why he wasn't involved in the TV movie. I'm sure thanks to that he was not approached.

Hoff is a cultural icon, and for any failings he may have, he has a charisma that comes through in everything from his starring roles to his cameos in movies. Not everything he does may be a masterpiece, but he's darn entertaining.
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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by DevonStyles » Sat May 10, 2008 6:32 pm

If the fans demand it.... The Hoff will come!!! :kitt:
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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by Lost Knight » Sat May 17, 2008 12:39 am

ilana wrote:The producers knew that there would not be any Hasselhoff appearances in the movie. They wanted to make their very own TV-series, which, as we see, did not have any serious connection with the original. But they did not clearly explained it to David. (Otherwise, he would not does any promotion and help them.) Instead they obviously made some hints about his future involvements and that they want to stay true to the classic show. Remember, they said it to the audience, too!
When the pilot series was finished and David did his work, they excplained they does not need him any more. It is not something you can sue. But it's a fraud. And I'm sure that made him angry.
Whether or not the topic of how much involvement Hasselhoff was to have is a matter of speculation at this point. It's important to keep in mind that the backdoor pilot was treated with the mentality that this Knight Rider resurrection could very possibly be only a one-time deal. I personally believe that Hasselhoff has been trying so hard for so long to reprise the role of Michael Knight that this was the perfect (and only) opportunity he had to do it. Making hints about future involvements is not deception on the producers' part, in my opinion, since they did not even know themselves if the franchise would be evolving past the backdoor pilot, and what they were even definitively going to do if things led to a series. I'm also not sure where you heard that the producers told Hasselhoff they don't need him anymore; as I understand it, the issue is that they do want his involvement. It's just a question of how much involvement he should have.
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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by KITTfan » Sat May 17, 2008 3:52 am

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KITTfan wrote:I think one thing has been forgotten in this conversation, didn't Hasselhoff turned one tv-series called Baywatch a huge success being behind and in front of the camera?
Absolutely, but there are two differences:

1) Hoff was a producer on "Baywatch", it was largely his baby in many ways. This new KR is not.

2) "Baywatch" was a very different series than "Knight Rider". Both had cheese factor, but it'd be a lie to say that "Baywatch" did not rely heavily on its babe and butch factor to draw in ratings. Its drama varied across the board from interpersonal relationships to life saving drama. KR was a buddy cop show that used a scifi premise of a cool car and a man seeking justice. Not quite the same thing.
That's exactly what I meant, Hasselhoff is a professional and able to make different tv-show's succesful. If he weren't professional he could've changed the Baywatch for something else, taking away the babes and make it for instance 100% educational tv-series and it would've been very short lived one :lol:
Instead, he knew how to make it succesful and last about 10 seasons, he utilized beautiful girls, slow motion, etc. to make it succesfull and that worked.

Knight Rider is totally different tv-show but the man was central character in the original tv-show and I'm sure if he wasnt' professional, the original KR could've been very short lived tv-show too. Hasselhoff tells in the 1st season DVD interview how he started calling KITT "buddy" and "pal", giving the show heart, humour and action. Especially his Knight Rider experience should be enough to prove he's valuable in the new Knight Rider as well, I just tried to make a point with the Baywatch that he's multitalented professional in the business and not "just" the Knight Rider expert.
At least I'd like to see occasionally good old Michael Knight at least in some episodes, the original KITT of course too :)

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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by Victor Kros » Sat May 17, 2008 8:32 am

KITTfan wrote:
goldbug wrote:
KITTfan wrote:I think one thing has been forgotten in this conversation, didn't Hasselhoff turned one tv-series called Baywatch a huge success being behind and in front of the camera?
Absolutely, but there are two differences:

1) Hoff was a producer on "Baywatch", it was largely his baby in many ways. This new KR is not.

2) "Baywatch" was a very different series than "Knight Rider". Both had cheese factor, but it'd be a lie to say that "Baywatch" did not rely heavily on its babe and butch factor to draw in ratings. Its drama varied across the board from interpersonal relationships to life saving drama. KR was a buddy cop show that used a scifi premise of a cool car and a man seeking justice. Not quite the same thing.
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- What people forget is David did try to put his own spin on Baywatch and take creative control and lose the T&A appeal and trade it in for "serious story driven plotlines". That show was called Baywatch Nights which bombed tremendously (yet still managed to stay in syndication for two years in the wee hours of the morning). So given that factor, I have to disagree that David carried Baywatch on his shoulders and agree that sexuality was a key factor in Baywatch's overall success. What is the one thing people picture when you say the words Baywatch to them? 9 times out of 10 it will be a chick with a life presever in a skimpy red outfit running in slow motion with her breasts bouncing up and down.

That's what sold Baywatch and kept it on the air. Mitch Buchannon could only do so much and when he was written out of the show (at points) it still went on. It launched more careers for it's female co-stars then it ever did for it's male cast.

Even that could only last so long as Baywatch Hawaii crashed and burned just as quickly.

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That's exactly what I meant, Hasselhoff is a professional and able to make different tv-show's succesful. If he weren't professional he could've changed the Baywatch for something else, taking away the babes and make it for instance 100% educational tv-series and it would've been very short lived one :lol:
Instead, he knew how to make it succesful and last about 10 seasons, he utilized beautiful girls, slow motion, etc. to make it succesfull and that worked.

Knight Rider is totally different tv-show but the man was central character in the original tv-show and I'm sure if he wasnt' professional, the original KR could've been very short lived tv-show too. Hasselhoff tells in the 1st season DVD interview how he started calling KITT "buddy" and "pal", giving the show heart, humour and action. Especially his Knight Rider experience should be enough to prove he's valuable in the new Knight Rider as well, I just tried to make a point with the Baywatch that he's multitalented professional in the business and not "just" the Knight Rider expert.
At least I'd like to see occasionally good old Michael Knight at least in some episodes, the original KITT of course too :)

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- David made Knight Rider his own because he was passionate about the concept from the start. A concept that Glen A. Larson invented from the beginning. Yes, when Glen moved on arguably David did a great deal to carry the show in his absence but it was Glen's keen eye for casting the right people that kept Knight Rider moving along as far as it could go with the budget it had to work with. You can't give David all the credit for it's success because of his relationship with the car. I believe Edward Mulhare, Patricia McPherson, and Jack Gill deserve just as much credit along with Robert Foster and Richard Okie who created new ways to give the show new life and keep on riding against critics who claimed Knight Rider would never make it.

Just some things to consider. As far as being a professional goes, professionals don't tend to go around and talk about themselves in the third person...unless they're Donald Trump or The Rock.

When it's all said and done, I think David has a lot of talent, it's his humilty he has to work on. Ask yourself what he's personally done for the Knight Rider fans lately that didn't involve him making a large chunk of change off his involvement?

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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by ilana » Sat May 17, 2008 11:35 am

I have no idea what he had to do for Knight Rider fans. I AM a Knight Rider fan and I appreciate David's work. He was one of the biggest reason to enjoy the series. As well as work of other actors and great idea of Glen A. Larson.

I am a fan of the series, too. And I want David in the series. And there are other people, who want it. You may like his work, or don't like so much. It's just a matter of a taste and I habve nothing agains it. But if David IS in the show, it definitely does not make it worse. So I just do not understan people, who rises an objections against his appearance.
it's his humilty he has to work on
I think it's the matter of his LOVE to the show, not humility. He is definitely the BIGGEST fan. Maybe if you do something that takes so much, something that is so important for you, you would understand him better... I personally think, that all people in David's situation would do the same. That fact that you don't understan him just means that you havre never been in the situation like this, like David''s. But believe me, I've seen a lot of people, who were in the same situations....

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Post by knightofthephoenix » Sat May 17, 2008 12:05 pm

I think having Michael Knight in a more Devon Miles like role would have been perfect for this series, though I can understand the argument that having David Hasselhoff on each week would generate attention away from the new characters the producers will be trying to establish.

I'd like nothing more than seeing the show become a hit on it's own and then seeing Michael Knight written into the new series on at least a recurring basis. But judging on how costs factor into these decisions more than ever now (even with the blatant Ford advertising?) it probably won't happen.

Oh and what's with the Hasselhoff negativity? The man was a main part of a formula that lead to a successful series. Period.

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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by Lost Knight » Sat May 17, 2008 4:49 pm

knightofthephoenix wrote:Oh and what's with the Hasselhoff negativity? The man was a main part of a formula that lead to a successful series. Period.
It's not so much negativity as it is looking at the situation objectively (at least on my part). We're all fans of David Hasselhoff's to a degree, but that doesn't mean I'm going to have a biased outlook in his favor with every situation. A lot of the time cheap shots are taken at him, but in this situation I believe he's trying to overstep his boundaries.
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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by Victor Kros » Sat May 17, 2008 4:51 pm

it's his humilty he has to work on
I think it's the matter of his LOVE to the show, not humility. He is definitely the BIGGEST fan. Maybe if you do something that takes so much, something that is so important for you, you would understand him better... I personally think, that all people in David's situation would do the same. That fact that you don't understan him just means that you havre never been in the situation like this, like David''s. But believe me, I've seen a lot of people, who were in the same situations....[/quote]

- Yes I have been in situations like David, I believe everyone has at some point, especially creative people with ideas which can be shot down in an instant by people who don't have a clue. That's an fair unfair statement to say, "because you don't understand him." in my opinion. What's not to understand about giving back to the fans and not expecting to get paid for it? You should try talking to his publicist or speak to my friend Steve Faucett about how much trouble it is to get David to do anything for the KR fandom these days without paying through the nose for it.

Then you will understand the other side of the coin from experience, not just opinion.

I really don't see the point you're trying to make here other then the fact you support David. Don't get me wrong as I said before, I don't dislike David, I dislike his "Hoff" persona which tends to lack humility.

You're right when it comes to David. Some people like him, some people dislike him, and some people just don't approve of his methods.

In my opinion I wouldn't count David out of making an appearence in the series in the future. Given his strong desire to be a part of Knight Rider, no matter who is doing it...he'll find a way to compromise.

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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by PHOENIXZERO » Sun May 18, 2008 2:39 am

Geez, he really is pissed about it! :lol:


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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by goldbug » Sun May 18, 2008 5:38 pm

Welp, that settles that! :)
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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by Lost Knight » Sun May 18, 2008 6:35 pm

"That new kid Jason." :lol:
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Post by HanzenRider » Mon May 19, 2008 12:09 am

Can someone quickly interpret what David said on that video? Im hard of hearing and it was hard to understand what he said on the video... Can someone explain in summary? Thanks!
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Post by Lost Knight » Mon May 19, 2008 9:20 am

Basically he thanked the fans for asking for his return and told us to give the new cast a chance. He didn't guarantee that he would be back but did make it clear that he is indeed in support of the new series, which is again in direct contradiction to an article that said he was furious about the direction of the new show and the amount of his possible involvement in it.

I would like to think David is genuine about his support for the show and that the rumor that he is upset about it is false. It's still possible that he's just "playing the game" so to speak in order to hopefully land future appearances on the show. Nevertheless, I prefer to take David at his word than believe a shady article from a Web site I hadn't heard of before.
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Post by Sue » Tue May 20, 2008 12:28 am

Lost Knight wrote:"That new kid Jason." :lol:
uh... yeah, oops! :oops:
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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by AzBat360 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:55 am

Glad the source was wrong and I'm very glad to hear that the Hoff is really enthusiastic about the show. "Lets go dancing. Ciao!" LOL :)

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Post by FX23 » Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:39 am

dont lose faith people! the hoffs comming back

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Re: no david hasselhoff for new series

Post by scottab21 » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:20 pm

there ya have it, no more discussion, the Hoff approves, and WILL be a part of the new series!

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