It's very confusing... the particles you're talking about is sand that KITT is kicking up, but there is definitely some sort of collision sound. Apparently, this collision was only bad enough to knock some stuff loose in KITT's engine, rather than the total wreck job that was done in "Goliath."spyhunter wrote:In the first part, I'm still trying to figure out if they are struck by Goliath causing them to lose control and slide off of the cliff, or if it's just because they swerved and lost control in the sand? If you look close at the part where they almost meet, it looks like they really did come in contact, and particles are coming off of KITT?!? Was probably just the sand though...
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The only thing that disproves that theory is the fact that KARR did survive flying off a cliff, into the water. Water is still not a solid object, while Goliath most certainly was, with a molecular bonded shell coating for the fun of it.
But anything that isn't solidly coated in MBS would be victims of gravitational forces. In scientific reality: Garthe and Adrienne were most likely chunky salsa inside that cab upon impact.
Oh, and as for Adrienne making a lunge for the Garthe at the last minute, it was a rather human reaction of trying to stop the inevitable.
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But anything that isn't solidly coated in MBS would be victims of gravitational forces. In scientific reality: Garthe and Adrienne were most likely chunky salsa inside that cab upon impact.
Oh, and as for Adrienne making a lunge for the Garthe at the last minute, it was a rather human reaction of trying to stop the inevitable.
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Wow March... That never ocurred to me. It always bothered me that Garthe somehow missed hitting KITT. Even if he knew he was going over the cliff, it would definitely be in his nature to try to take Michael out with him. Although the near-miss may be simply the result of somewhat lazy editing, your explanation seems to make perfect sense.
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Great explanation March!
There is one thing that I forgot to mention though, right before Michael punches the Grappling Hook button, he and KITT (the model) make a hard right turn in the dirt. This coupled with the shot of nothing in front of Goliath right before the tumble over the cliff, leads me to believe that they evaded being forced off of the cliff by swerving at the last moment. This demonstrating KITTs maneuverability over Goliath.
I think Adrienne would have been so steamed by Michael attempting to foil their great plan that she would have chose to kill Michael despite the feelings she had for him earlier.
There certainly wasn't much time to think about it anyway, since unlike KITT, Goliath could not scan the huge cliff ahead. And so by the time they realized it, they were over the cliff in that overweight behemoth of a truck.
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There is one thing that I forgot to mention though, right before Michael punches the Grappling Hook button, he and KITT (the model) make a hard right turn in the dirt. This coupled with the shot of nothing in front of Goliath right before the tumble over the cliff, leads me to believe that they evaded being forced off of the cliff by swerving at the last moment. This demonstrating KITTs maneuverability over Goliath.
I think Adrienne would have been so steamed by Michael attempting to foil their great plan that she would have chose to kill Michael despite the feelings she had for him earlier.
There certainly wasn't much time to think about it anyway, since unlike KITT, Goliath could not scan the huge cliff ahead. And so by the time they realized it, they were over the cliff in that overweight behemoth of a truck.
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Could the MBS survive falling of a cliff?
Michael and KITT faced a cliff in "A Plush Ride". KITT tells Michael "we will pass over the edge in 10 seconds. We will then fall 456 meters to the canyon floor below. I may survive the impact, however you will not." (had to look it up).
That would be a pretty big fall, but KITT seemed to think he might make it through.
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Michael and KITT faced a cliff in "A Plush Ride". KITT tells Michael "we will pass over the edge in 10 seconds. We will then fall 456 meters to the canyon floor below. I may survive the impact, however you will not." (had to look it up).
That would be a pretty big fall, but KITT seemed to think he might make it through.
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unless kitt was saying all that to make michael do something since all michael was doing was freezing up and staring outwards, lol.
kitt may have had a calm tone but i bet he wasn't. and we all know kitt can be snidy at times so i always took those lines from kitt as something he did just to try to save himself.
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kitt may have had a calm tone but i bet he wasn't. and we all know kitt can be snidy at times so i always took those lines from kitt as something he did just to try to save himself.
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What are you talking about, Skav? KITT doesn't say lines to just save himself, and Michael wasn't freezing up and just staring out the window. He had been unconscious before that, and was trying to get a quick assessment of the situation, and KITT didn't seem to have the solution at the time. I do believe Michael thought rather quickly in that instance to save his bacon.
From what they showed us, the MBS would have withstood falling off a cliff. After all, KARR survived. Nothing seemed wrong with KITT after he turbo boosted off of a cliff in Forget Me Not. It just would not have been good for somebody inside, which there never was. KITT would have survived, Michael would have not. Most likely the only reason why we see the parachute in Goliath Returns and Sky Knight, is for Michael's benefit, not KITT's.
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From what they showed us, the MBS would have withstood falling off a cliff. After all, KARR survived. Nothing seemed wrong with KITT after he turbo boosted off of a cliff in Forget Me Not. It just would not have been good for somebody inside, which there never was. KITT would have survived, Michael would have not. Most likely the only reason why we see the parachute in Goliath Returns and Sky Knight, is for Michael's benefit, not KITT's.
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all kitt was doing was talking about himself in that scene with the exception of him mentioning that he will survive and michael won't. this strikes me as him getting increasingly apprehensive from the get go as soon as the car was rolling down ie he told michael he did what he needed to do and now michael MUST wake up now. when he failed to, obviously kitt got the oxygenator out to wake him up but then kitt remained astonished that michael had no plan B after the brakes were failing.
i'm trying to say that kitt was afraid for himself more so than for michael, in my view. i don't know how kitt kept his composure and calmness as he seemed to gain that unstable fear factor later on in the series, but he definetely struck me as being worried.
as Mike seem to think KITT might make it through, I disagree otherwise despite kitt saying he MIGHT survive the impact. also, when kitt stated that, it came across to me that he was rather reasurring himself that he would survive.
i'm talking about kitt's confidence, and to me, he wasn't.
also, concerning the cliff thing, both karr and kitt turbo boosted onto a beach. not hard concrete surface. judging by the surroundings of that cliff in 'plush ride' it would be very disconcerning whether kitt would have survived or not! it was rocky mountain. it definetely woulda given the MBS a test but i also think it's how kitt would have landed that has something to do with it. he would definetely damage something or a big portion of him in whatever stance he lands.
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i'm trying to say that kitt was afraid for himself more so than for michael, in my view. i don't know how kitt kept his composure and calmness as he seemed to gain that unstable fear factor later on in the series, but he definetely struck me as being worried.
as Mike seem to think KITT might make it through, I disagree otherwise despite kitt saying he MIGHT survive the impact. also, when kitt stated that, it came across to me that he was rather reasurring himself that he would survive.
i'm talking about kitt's confidence, and to me, he wasn't.
also, concerning the cliff thing, both karr and kitt turbo boosted onto a beach. not hard concrete surface. judging by the surroundings of that cliff in 'plush ride' it would be very disconcerning whether kitt would have survived or not! it was rocky mountain. it definetely woulda given the MBS a test but i also think it's how kitt would have landed that has something to do with it. he would definetely damage something or a big portion of him in whatever stance he lands.
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The cliff in A Plush Ride was no different from the other cliffs that the vehicles flew off of. And a beach is not a soft landing for anything, specifically falling objects.
Yes, KITT might be damaged, but that is a long way from being destroyed.
And if KITT was truly worried about himself, then he is a computer, he should have been able to come up with a compromise, but remember, at that point, KITT thought he was doing what Michael wanted, he was playing along. Somehow, KITT definitely seemed more worried about the outcome of Michae;'s position, not his own, seeing as it was his primary programming to assure that the driver was protected and taken care of. I think your view is more imaginative embellishment of KITT's position. But that part is my own opinion.
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Yes, KITT might be damaged, but that is a long way from being destroyed.
And if KITT was truly worried about himself, then he is a computer, he should have been able to come up with a compromise, but remember, at that point, KITT thought he was doing what Michael wanted, he was playing along. Somehow, KITT definitely seemed more worried about the outcome of Michae;'s position, not his own, seeing as it was his primary programming to assure that the driver was protected and taken care of. I think your view is more imaginative embellishment of KITT's position. But that part is my own opinion.
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