Threesome and Lesbian Scene Trash

[ckeller22]

I am not giving you parental advice. As saying it's not acceptable.who are you god. I am not gay and don't live a gay lifestyle and know very little gay people but what your saying in essence they have no right to exist in society. Once again who are you. If you want to be naive thats your right. But i get the feeling you came here just to stir up trouble. Everybody has there right to there opinion but to once again decide something over a trivial two minutes were no nudity or sex was happening i find ignorant.If you don't like it turn it off and watch something else. It was told from the get go from the producers that this was an updated in our times and society dealing with problems that we have now.The war, Politics etc. I don't condone or approve of teaching children immoral things but i think this thread has been taken way to far.

[Romulus9]

@ckeller22

I'm afraid I have to correct you on that. If you look at history, the real decline and fall of the Roman Empire began after the advent of Christianity. For hundreds of years before that -- and I mean HUNDREDS -- the Roman Empire contained homosexuals, prostitutes, and yes, promiscuity, as has every human civilization, it seems, since civilization began. And it was one of the most successful empires in human history.

That's not really accurate, at least not according to Gibbon's "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire".

[prairiecrow]

That's not really accurate, at least not according to Gibbon's "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire".

It is, however, accurate according to other historians. I suppose it boils down to who you choose to read -- and believe. History, like any research-based field, is full of people arguing different points.

Also keep in mind that Gibbon was writing in the 18th century. There have been some advances in knowledge since then (although if I recall correctly, Gibbon is still the gold standard for cross-checking).

[knightrider08]

It's modern. What do you expect? That must be put in or the show won't be inclusive to everyone including the martians that live on a hill in the desert. That's why I don't watch anything new.

[Rockatteer]

I think a big part of the old shows appeal, was it's simple formula of action/adventure and comedy, thats what's kept KR alive all these years, so I would hope that a new series will keep to that formula also.

I suspect the 3-some and gay scenes where thrown in to add a little edginess, a little nod that "hey this is a new series for a new era". I'm hopeful that if the show goes to series that it will be in an 8pm time slot and if it follows suit of the last 30 or so minutes of the movie, all will be well with the KR world.

[prairiecrow]

I think a big part of the old shows appeal, was it's simple formula of action/adventure and comedy, thats what's kept KR alive all these years, so I would hope that a new series will keep to that formula also.

I suspect the 3-some and gay scenes where thrown in to add a little edginess, a little nod that "hey this is a new series for a new era". I'm hopeful that if the show goes to series that it will be in an 8pm time slot and if it follows suit of the last 30 or so minutes of the movie, all will be well with the KR world.

I agree. All other arguments aside, I found the sexual innuendo to be gratuitous. If they bring back the straight action/adventure format, with, as you noted, some comedy, and the occasional grateful kiss from someone Mike has rescued, I'd be a very happy fan.

[Troglodad]

Wow, what a way to start off in this new forum I found.

As a parent, and lover of cheesy TV I'm going to also condemn NBC for yet AGAIN working sex, homosexuality into what should be a kids' show. I too looked forward to watching KR 2008 with my 8 year old. Thank goodness we DVR everything and I was able to jump past the TOTALLY inappropriate for kids scenes.

Now I see that a lot of you want to whine that we don't have to watch. I agree. But geez, I wasn't expecting this here. Exactly what is the target audience? And if it's okay to show sex and homosex, then why wasn't it okay to show the desk clerk getting his brains blown out? An effort was made to off-camera that.

Others of you might argue that those of us feeling offended are just too prudish. That there's nothing wrong with kids seeing real life. Tell Nickelodean or the Disney Channel that. You know, the next time they have lesbians, threesomes and maybe some manboy luvin' going on after school. My point: it's not acceptable for children to see this kind of thing. Ever. They're kids.

Finally, some of you seem to take offense at anyone commenting that the homosexual, adulterous lifestyle is offensive. Where do you stand on farting in public? Nose picking? Child Pornography? Public Executuions? My point is that you can disagree with someone's opinion without getting your shorts in a knot. No matter what, the majority of the midwest at least, will always think homosexuality is immoral. We have a different lifestyle than the coasts. Doesn't mean we can't exchange ideas.

And thanks for the invite to sound off on this topic- I wouldn't have if not for the invite.

Cool board by the way- now I know where to turn for answers if my daughter decides to start watching the classic Knight Rider; cause I'm a little hesitant to let her watch this new one.

[maverik]

@prairiecrow

Good response! But i'd like to offer some correction =)

There are several popular hypotheses that are believed to have contributed to the Roman Empire’s fall. To sight just one would be a fallacy (why i originally mentioned several contributing factors)

You are referring to (in part, he also sights morale decline) Edward Gibbon's theory.

However, that specific part of his theory wasn't due to Christian "oppression" but rather, had more to do with the struggle of power between the power of the church and the power of the empire in the people’s heart.

Morale Decline however did play a role according to many historians.

Personally, I tend to agree with J. B. Bury who takes into account several factors/theories.

@ckeller22

"that's why we have the problems we have in this country"

For your own edification, morale decline (homosexuality, promiscuity, prostitutions, etc) and being overly "politically correct" is one of the major contributing factors to the Roman empires collapse.

I'm afraid I have to correct you on that. If you look at history, the real decline and fall of the Roman Empire began after the advent of Christianity. For hundreds of years before that -- and I mean HUNDREDS -- the Roman Empire contained homosexuals, prostitutes, and yes, promiscuity, as has every human civilization, it seems, since civilization began. And it was one of the most successful empires in human history.

Personally I don't see a corellation between the strength of a civilization and the sexuality of its inhabitants.

But we were talking about Knight Rider, right...?

[OilSlick]

The homo thing was a show of KITT's lack of knowledge about Mike and I for one laughed out loud when he showed the rainbow flag on the screen. Hilarious.

I agree, the rainbow flag was the funniest thing about this movie.

And Michael Knight always ended up with a different chick every episode...at least during the first season. So that is nothing new.

[ckeller22]

Once again did they show nudity no..did they show people having intercourse no...how do you know she is a lesbian are you assuming because i didn't see them even touch one another let alone kiss. The two girls in mikes bed. Well i am sorry not everybody is a saint. It was to show the anti-hero .Somebody that you weren't going to like in the beginning but at the end realizes he needs to change his ways. The homo sexuality. Were did you see that ,were you watching a different version than i did.I saw a funny skit were KITT was trying to comprehend(because he is not human)why mike left Sarah and they tried to add a little comedy by saying are you gay. But every self-righteous save the world individual is going to make a big deal of it. As far as being a parent yes children don't need to know about sex,yes they shouldn't be exposed to things they aren't mature to handle but hide them under a rock. Give me a break already with the motel clerk big deal you saw a little blood they didn't even show him getting shot. There's a lot worse seen and done on tv including nudity shown by CBS and your nit picking this.Thanks for the gospels very educating

[msKEN]

http://www.tvguidelines.org/ratings.asp

Familiarize yourself with it. Maybe next time you will be a little more prepared for what TV PG - SEXUAL CONTENT - LANGUAGE - and VIOLENCE means.

[davejames]

Um, hello, this aired from 9 until 11 in the evening. If the network wanted to aim this at little kids, don't you think they would have aired it earlier??

I agree the focus on sex early on was a bit tacky and juvenile, and was clearly aimed at horny teenagers. But frankly the last two Star Trek series were even WORSE with that kind of thing. At least the women in this movie weren't parading through the entire thing dressed in skin tight outfits.

[maverik]

@ckeller22

dude, you just don't get it. If "everyone has a right to their own opinion" as you stated, then stop attacking mine by saying im just naive, not tolerant, that I'm the problem with society, that im mr rogers or that my opinion is retardard, etc.

LOL, I'm defending my opinion which you and a few others have insulted several times. Learn to follow your own advice.

I've clearly stated my point previously and this is the last time i'm going to:

My point was that I WANTED TO WATCH THIS WITH MY KIDS, my family and I where big fans of the original show and watch the old series on DVD together. We where all looking forward to watching this new one together but with the new theme / direction of the show NBC has lost a viewer.

I am not giving you parental advice. As saying it's not acceptable.who are you god. I am not gay and don't live a gay lifestyle and know very little gay people but what your saying in essence they have no right to exist in society. Once again who are you. If you want to be naive thats your right. But i get the feeling you came here just to stir up trouble. Everybody has there right to there opinion but to once again decide something over a trivial two minutes were no nudity or sex was happening i find ignorant.If you don't like it turn it off and watch something else. It was told from the get go from the producers that this was an updated in our times and society dealing with problems that we have now.The war, Politics etc. I don't condone or approve of teaching children immoral things but i think this thread has been taken way to far.

[ckeller22]

Look you have you ways I have mine. We agree to disagree. Did you bother to look at the PG rating that it showed on the tv when it came on. Do you know the difference between rated G and PG. There is a difference and you continue to pursue how evil Knight Rider is for trivial things but that's your opinion and your right your entitled to it. If that bothers you so much than don't watch it with your kids nobody told you too. Once again it was rated PG not G. It was shown from 9-11 not at cartoon time ,which maybe you should watch some cartoons because some of them are worse than what was on the tv last night. You blast Knight Rider well NYPD is in prime time slot and shows naked people and much worse. I am not condoning teaching or showing kids inappropriate things but again i feel this is being taken way out of context and is more like a church sermon than Knight Rider thread.

[xWhiplash]

How the hell was it "aimed" for children. It was AIMED for those who watched the originals which are now 18-25.

Also, if it was "aimed" for 5 year olds, why was it RATED TV - 14 SLV S being sexuality

It didnt advertise as a kids movie, it was advertised as a KR movie. It had a rating of TV 14. They didnt change it at the last second RIGHT on those scenes. It was TV 14 from the intro.

And BTW, it was 10 mins in, not 2. You had plenty of time to notice the TV 14

This is exactly whats wrong with parents today. OMG I got GTA for my 7 year old and now hes exposed to car jackings and illegal stuff. The game is rated M

Parents, LEARN THE RATINGS!

[KWO]

You are what's wrong with parents these days. Trying to shelter your kid from the real world instead of using it as an opportunity to teach them something. If you don't want to teach them, then don't watch adult shows with them. As pointed out previously, this show has a rating for a reason. And you know what? There was nothing even sexual shown on screen in any way, he wasn't even kissing the girls. If I was that young, even 10 or 11, I wouldn't have picked up on what was being implied. They could be friends for all I would have known, and it wouldn't have destroyed my youth or anything.

As for the lesbian scene, it was completely pointless. Nothing offensive or wrong with it at all though. The only problem with it, was it served NO purpose other than to make you go "Oh! She's a lesbian!" which was dumb, like a lot of the other stuff in the script for this movie. (although I liked it overall).

If you want to talk offensive, lets talk about some of the acting, yikes!

[Michael Pajaro]

For those who are new here, I am one of the moderators of this forum. I gave a polite warning earlier, but now I'm going to me more direct: The personal attacks will stop. Now. I don't care if you joined yesterday or 5 years ago.

No more criticisms of peoples personal lifestyles.
No more attacks of parenting skills.

If you want to have an intelligent debate about the appropriateness of sexuality within the context of a Knight Rider, by all means go ahead. If you want to criticize the show and support your reasoning, feel free. But this kind of fighting does NOT belong here.

[maverik]

@KWO
you have missed my point. Sorry im not explaining it again or retyping it.

to clarify, my kids didn't watch it. I screen everything.

What degree / qualifications do you have to judge my parenting? If you want to expose your 5 year son to threesomes, gays / lesbians that is your choice but not one for my family. Ill wait until they are older and more capable of understanding the moral consequences of various life style choices.

To those who had intelligent responses thank you.

To others you need to learn how to respect other peoples opinions and not resort to name calling, mud slinging, etc.

[Michael Pajaro]

@maverik
you have missed MY point. I said stop.

[KWO]

What degree / qualifications do you have to judge my parenting? If you want to expose your 5 year son to threesomes, gays / lesbians that is your choice but not one for my family. Ill wait until they are older and more capable of understanding the moral consequences of various life style choices.

I didn't know you had to take a course to be a good parent, perhaps you can direct me to the one you took so I can avoid it.

What exactly is harmful or wrong about a threesome / gays / lesbians? Or rather, a man lying in a bed with two women doing nothing at all / a woman sleeping over at another womans house? That's all that was really shown. Do you have a prejudice against people who choose to live these lifestyles?

EDIT: Apologies Mike, I will stop.

[maverik]

sorry, didn't see your post until after I posted.

Ill gladly stop.

@maverik
you have missed MY point. I said stop.

[KamenRider]

I didn't have a problem with those scenes because they were wrong or an insult to the kings holy sovereignty or whatever.

I had a problem with them because they were just dumb. Establishing Mike as a ladies man is easy enough by having the girl in bed with him. With the cop it was so gratuitous. They might as well have had SHES A LESBIAN AND THAT'S HER CHARACTER! running across the bottom of the screen.

If you want to have a lesbian character fine. If you want to have a total knock-off of Batman's Rene Montoya, fine. But c'mon let's keep the focus on the story. Though really if this goes to series I could totally do without her character, she was just kinda there in the pilot and not really all that interesting. But then again the writers could find ways to expand her character outside beyond HOT LESBIAN COP thing.

[knightny]

You know what is truly unneccessary? (And forgive me if this has been said already). You people have such a hard time viewing a woman in another womans bed. You have a hard time with a guy in bed with two women.......

But I have yet to hear the same people mention the guns, the hand to hand combat (violence), Jennifer's death that showed blood and gambling.....You also forget to mention how in the old series Michael Knight was with a different chick in every episode. Yet somehow KITT asking Mike Traceur if he is gay is such a tragedy.

Get real.

[KWO]

You know what is truly unneccessary? (And forgive me if this has been said already). You people have such a hard time viewing a woman in another womans bed. You have a hard time with a guy in bed with two women.......

But I have yet to hear the same people mention the guns, the hand to hand combat (violence), Jennifer's death that showed blood and gambling.....You also forget to mention how in the old series Michael Knight was with a different chick in every episode. Yet somehow KITT asking Mike Traceur if he is gay is such a tragedy.

Get real.

Well said.

[prairiecrow]

You know what is truly unneccessary? (And forgive me if this has been said already). You people have such a hard time viewing a woman in another womans bed. You have a hard time with a guy in bed with two women.......

But I have yet to hear the same people mention the guns, the hand to hand combat (violence), Jennifer's death that showed blood and gambling.....You also forget to mention how in the old series Michael Knight was with a different chick in every episode. Yet somehow KITT asking Mike Traceur if he is gay is such a tragedy.

Get real.

Well said.

Seconded.