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Knight Rider 2000 why was it so bad?

Post by March2875 » Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:48 pm

Id like to start a discussion on what it is about Knight Rider 2000 we all dislike. I don't really think ive heard people give a lot of reasons why they didn't like it.

What I didn't like was that Devon Miles was murdered, the original Kitt got dismantled, and that it was set in the future. Knight Rider was about the car of the future being in the present.

A woman taking over didn't really bother me. One woman can make a difference just as easily as a man can. The fact that Kitt's chip ended up in her head was rather dumb though.

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Post by Knight Racer » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:25 pm

I read in a knight rider anual comic that Michael had a chip that kitt could communicate with Michael in his head too but I never really realized what others uses that could have besides making her sister of kitt.

I didn't like how they never discussed the supporting cast of RC# or at least Bonnie.She was on for 3 seasons out of 4 and not even a word that she existed in that movie.

I heard somewhere that the new black was an orange on a poster a few years back but red,cmon to represent a state of the art computer that runs a computerized car in red???? hard to take it seriously.shiney black maybe.

Everything kitt did in that movie in the knight 4000 kitt could have done did in the original series except the fax.

Turbo Boost,need I say more?We loved watching kitt do the coolest jumps and in the kr2000 movie they left out one of kitts features that best represented what he could do.

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Post by KFCreator » Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:59 pm

I actually did like Knight Rider 2000 (and still do) but there are quite a few things that I dislike about it. One is how dark the storyline seemed to be. It had very few true lighthearted moments in it and I'm not even sure that we ever see Michael smile or laugh in any part of it. Second, I agree that it was almost sacrilegious to present KITT in that red futuristic car body and to take away all that made the original car tremendous, such as turbo boosts, ski mode and the awesome dashboard that we all knew and loved (including the classic voice modulator). Third, I think the TV movie as a whole just underwhelmed me in almost every respect: the action sequences were not very exciting, the plot centered around revenge, almost all of the actors (including William Daniels) seemed liked they almost didn't want to be a part of the TV movie (for evidence, pay attention to KITT's tone of voice in most scenes or look at how it seems like both Michael and Devon's expressions seem to convey how tired they were both physically and mentally) and last but not least, how we never got to find out important fill-in-the-gap plot points like what happened to RCIII or Bonnie or the original FLAG headquarters and staff. Still, as i said in the beginning, the were elements I did like and scenes that I enjoyed very much (Michael and KITT's reunion, the scene with James "Scotty" Doohan and Michael resurrecting KITT).

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Post by Nelson B » Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:55 am

The reason that Devon was killed off because Edward Mulhare was not interested in being in the new tv series. Now I read that somewhere and don't ask me where can't remember. I would have liked the movie better if they had used old kitt instead of the stupid 57 chevy. They could have had kitt having a major malfuntion and plunging off the dock. After all he was in storage for 10 years.

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Post by knightprobe89 » Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:55 am

i liked the concept of the movie knight rider 2000, but the storyline sucked, the knight 4000 was a nice car, but i didn't like the fact that they did not do any stunts or turbo boost. also i hated that they didn't use the knight 4000 as kitt till almost the end of the movie, i really hated that they used the 57 chevy to house kitt until the knight 4000 was ready.

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Post by March2875 » Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:29 am

KFCreator you bring up an excellent point about how they never smile. You said you think that means they didnt' want to be there your right.
We have proof on David's part also. I think you even brought it up before yourself about what He said in his book. That he even went as far as throwing the script across the room. What He says in his book is below. This is by memory I hadn't read his book in about 6 month's.

According to David Hasselhoff's book Knight Rider 2000 wasn't picked up as a series because Susan Norman didn't test well with the audience. The audience still showed interest in Hasselhoff. Since Hasselhoff hated the whole concept of KR2000 and since He tested well with the audience again They decided to go with a series of KR Movies instead. He was willing to do 4 tv films Universal wanted at least 2 and NBC only wanted to try one so it all fell through. And that was the end of the KR revival until Team Knight Rider's attempt.

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Re: Knight Rider 2000 why was it so bad?

Post by Lost Knight » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:35 am

March2875 wrote:What I didn't like was that Devon Miles was murdered, the original Kitt got dismantled, and that it was set in the future. Knight Rider was about the car of the future being in the present.

A woman taking over didn't really bother me. One woman can make a difference just as easily as a man can. The fact that Kitt's chip ended up in her head was rather dumb though.


That's funny, because the reasons you mentioned why you didn't like the movie are the only aspects of the movie that I liked. Did I like seeing Devon die? Well, not necessarily, but I thought it created a very poignant scene and was an emotional tragedy, which is important in order to make the audience care about the film and/or its characters.

Did I like that the Knight 2000 was dismantled? I remember hating it when I first watched it as a 9-year-old. (And by the way, just where the hell did that steering wheel in the crates come from, anyway!?) Looking back now, however, I think it was a logical extrapolation of the original series. Think about it: we last saw K.I.T.T. in 1986, and according to the film, he and Michael's adventures continued through 1990. The movie takes place in the year 2000...so, would it be logical to keep a 1982 vehicle with series 2000 circuitry as the primary vehicle for the Knight Foundation? I certainly still don't use my old Compaq Presario from 2000 nowadays... Russ Maddock was certainly a cold, unlikeable character, but he did have a point when he said, "the car didn't exactly have fresh oil on the dipstick."

As for the character of Shawn McCormick, the fact that she was a woman taking over is not what bugged me. What bugged me is that for some reason I just didn't care about her character. The fact that she had a connection with K.I.T.T. by having one of his chips implanted in her brain was a little silly, too (as was the whole nonsense with being able to read peoples' thoughts and see them on monitors). To this day I can't quite figure out exactly why I don't like her character. Perhaps it's just that I didn't find her passionate or interesting enough (especially compared to Michael Knight, which is who everyone was watching the movie for, anyway). I guess she sort of worked for the TV movie, but I couldn't see her as a strong enough character to lead a new series.

Next, I hated the whole deal with the '57 Chevy. Sure, it was a little humorous to see K.I.T.T. being downgraded into such an old vehicle. But I would have preferred for the writers to have simply kept him as a pile of electronics than to put him in that car. The Knight 4000 wasn't all that bad, I thought. The problem was not even that it looked awkward from certain angles, but that it was RED. Someone brought up a point earlier that K.I.T.T. did everything the Knight 4000 did, and I agree, except for the Virtual Reality Mode. What's wrong with actual reality?

Finally, the main reason why I didn't like the movie was not even the lack of turbo boosts or the original Trans Am. The reason I didn't like it was because it just wasn't a fun movie. When Glen Larson says the film missed the point, he's 100 percent right. The movie was just overall a bit too sci-fi and a bit too serious. Its entire tone was completely different than that of the original series. Jan Hammer's score wasn't necessarily bad music, but it just didn't fit well in what was supposed to be an action movie. Playing jazz music while Michael was fighting Tommy Watts didn't exactly make things feel climactic, either. In fact, I think 50 percent of the movie's problems could have been solved by simply making a score that fit better into the overall movie, even if no other elements were changed. Why didn't they call Don Peake or Stu Phillips?
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Post by Victor Kros » Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:39 am

I just want to make a small note of interest here about KIFT.

The reason that there are so few scenes with the red car in Knight Rider 2000 is they started shooting the script without a car built. It is documented fact that they did not have KIFT completed/built until the last two weeks of shooting. The last scenes to be shot from Knight Rider 2000 all involved pick up shots of KIFT and the infamous (and disasterous to some extent) driving on the river sequence.

This also explains why his functions were so limited and poorly conceived. They just didn't give themselves the time to make the interior more visually appealing. Even if they made KIFT black there was nothing about that car that made it "the car of tomorrow", especially placing the movie in the future to begin with.

As for the score, what score? They play the same single track throughout the entire movie and one other one for the fight scene. This is all about jumping the gun to get a project into production without taking the time to do it right.

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Post by Lost Knight » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:19 pm

victor kros wrote:The reason that there are so few scenes with the red car in Knight Rider 2000 is they started shooting the script without a car built. It is documented fact that they did not have KIFT completed/built until the last two weeks of shooting. The last scenes to be shot from Knight Rider 2000 all involved pick up shots of KIFT and the infamous (and disasterous to some extent) driving on the river sequence.


Amazing how an entire movie could be filmed that's supposed to be about a car, and they didn't even finish the car in time.

But I also heard that there was originally a different script written which included turbo boosts and was more in tune with the original series. And that's what David thought he was signing on for, but instead at the last minute the script and other things were radically changed.

victor kros wrote:As for the score, what score? They play the same single track throughout the entire movie and one other one for the fight scene. This is all about jumping the gun to get a project into production without taking the time to do it right.


That's true, but by score I also meant those highly irritating sound effects every time something that was supposed to be dramatic was happening. For instance, Michael chasing Tommy Watts through the mall, or whenever they showed the dream sequences being piped through computer monitors.
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Post by cloudkitt » Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:56 pm

I'm not sure the fact that she was a woman ever bothered anyone. I think it had more to do with the fact that she was a particularly annoying woman.

The seeing memories thing, the airsoft guns, that annoying freaking piano song, the complete lack of car stunts, KITT's dismantling, Devon's empty murder, KITT suddenly being okay with being a 'big tomato', pretty much everything.

The ONLY thing I liked in the whole film was how bitter KITT was, that was rather funny.
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Post by snafu » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:12 pm

If I ran into Shawn McCormick's character in real life I would slap her. Sure, she endured trials but she was so WHINY.
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Re: Knight Rider 2000 why was it so bad?

Post by KnightLegend » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:06 am

I disliked it because they killed Devon, didn't mention Bonnie, April or RC3 at all, dismantled KITT and put his chip in someone head. I didn't like the fact the foundation was no some huge organization with a big coperate type building and loads of secretarys. I didn't like that new guy, can't remember his name, something like maddock, anyway they changed to much from the old series and it was if the series was completely disregarded.

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Post by Kram061-1 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:24 am

the mistake they made was the 2000 part.......it should have just been a continuing saga from the original show, with the same car, maybe on an international mission in Europe or something. I don't think the original show ever did one of those. they tried to change too much, kind of like what they did with the new show.

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Post by Niggle Snoosh » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:53 am

In no particular order.

    KIFT looked ugly
    KIFT was red
    KITT was dismantled
    No T/A
    William Daniels blatently didn't want to be there
    KITT being too much of a smart arse
    Devon died (sad and tragic as it was) to a poor excuse of a villain
    Part of Kitt was inside the girls head (so KITT isn't KITT)
    The girl wan't likeable
    Maddock wasn't likeable
    Depiction of the future was too far fetched/utopian
    No Bonnie (or at least an explanation of her absense)
    Chemistry outside original cast wasn't there
    Scotty cameo wasn't funny, seemed desperate
    Acting in general

Admittedly a lot is what i have noticed now that i've grown up but a dismantled KITT, an ugly replacement and the death of Devon have always left a bitter taste in my mouth i have never forgotten

What was good:

    KR2000 theme
    "Is that you Michael" "yeah buddy" "You look lke crap"
    More of Devon & his overall performance (he may have wanted out but he did a fair job regardless)
Michael: "Devon, someone tried to kill me last night!"
Devon: "I have an alibi"

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Post by greelywinger » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:44 am

I haven't watched KR2K for a while, but here's some things I didn't like about the movie.
Poor script.
Everything seemed to be rushed.
DH & EM didn't want to be there
Devon's empty murder
No mention of Bonnie (April & RC3 not being mentioned doesn't bother me)
KITT's chip in a woman's head (please!)

I did like the banter between KITT.
KITT losing his temper.

I can't remember much more, haven't seen it since I bought Season 1 DVD.
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Post by PHOENIXZERO » Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:15 pm

I have nothing to really add here since I pretty much agree with everyone's dislikes. There was very little to like about it....
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Post by CJaguar442 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:32 pm

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Post by Kaine » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:08 am

well, the whole concept of KITT is "the car of the future today"... so if you write a story about a futuristic car that is not set today but in the future, it undermines the whole concept!
that for me is the main reason why KR2K didn't work... and ofcourse the Knight 4000 was ugly! although the exterior roughly resembled the lines of the Pontiac Banshee, the Dodge Charger has a different wheelbase, is much narrower and therefore has a strange driving behavior, which you could even see on screen.
that's my main 2 points what i dislike about this movie

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Post by jup » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:42 am

Pretty much everything about the movie I hated has already been mentioned.

However, I will always remember hearing how Knight Rider was coming back in 1990. Got me so excited. Then...

...I saw it. Only thing worse might have been seeing the teaser for KR 2010 on the weekly Action Pack and thinking, with finger on the record button, is it this week? ... no....Is it this week? ... no...

...and learning that it was the very final show of the original concept before season two went to pure Hercules and several other shows. Oh, yea...and finally viewing 2010. Would have rather seen it the first week and learned to not bother with any more episodes. (Though, I did like everything else the AP had to offer. Even TKR. Heck. Even my father was a regular TKR viewer. And, he'd never bother with the original KR.)

I even think 2000 exploited Scotty with those horrid lines...despite the excuse of being stunned. Then again, the movie exploited everyone. There. I said it.

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Post by Gadjet » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:29 am

Kitt was wrong, wrong colour and not a TA.

You couldnt see the scanna working in the daylight scenes cos it was red on red.

There was no fun to the film the only bit that made me smile was when KITT said "Michael you look like crap!"

Good points tho, Michaels reaction to Devons death was a good bit of acting, I still shed a tear when watching that bit.

I also did like the updated dash in KIFT and liked seing the guts of KITT bodged into the Chevy. (vox box upside down lol)

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Post by jup » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:55 am

Perhaps, one good thing about KIFT: He was predicted in the original series.

Could this have even remotely been something the writers caught on to? Was it chance beyond chance? Who knows. But, in many episodes, it is possible to see the schematics of a prototype vehicle that looks extremely like the red tomato on wheels hanging on the wall of the mobile command unit.

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Post by goldbug » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:37 pm

This may sound like a silly way to criticize the movie - but as it went along, it just made me sad. It was sad that Michael Knight had burnt out. It was sad that KITT was disassembled. It was sad that FLAG was being run by a jerk. Then Devon gets killed in a rather non-heroic death. Every time you turned around it was just darn depressing. Then we get Michael and KITT back together but they both seemed to be shadows of their former selves - especially KITT stuck in a 57 Chevy for most of the movie. Had he been stuck in the car say for, twenty minutes of the film and then transferred over to the 4000 for most of the movie, I would have actually been ok with it.

Now, all that said, if the darn 4000 had just appeared more I would have been a bit more satisfied, but as it stands it appeared for all of 20 or so minutes of the film (just guess-timating) in actual action with KITT as its AI. So not only was a lot of the movie very sad, but it was also somewhat boring until the last half hour or so.
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Post by cloudkitt » Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:20 pm

I agree goldbug, in fact the one thing you said was also a problem in the new one. Don't get me wrong, I liked it, but the car didn't really DO a whole lot.

I recently just watched KotP, they REALLY showcased KITT's abilities in that. Apart from him being invincible, talking, incredible speed and self-driving. He Turbo Boosted no less than 3 times, uses Ski Mode, 2 separate uses for ejector seats, oil slick, smoke screen, and the more mundane stuff like scanning and whatnot.
In KR2000, the car detects a dear ahead on the road, pops another car's tires, turns into a boat (and the boat ride isn't even exciting, it's just get around traffic and is a rather pleasant ride.
The new one had a similar problem. The new KITT talked, could go real fast and was (for the most part) invincible. But it didn't really do anything. Sure it could access the internet and get pictures, it also camouflaged itself and used an updated Super Pursuit Mode. ...and that was really it. It didn't do very many stunts. The climax of the hour was a further example of its invincibility. As opposed to KotP's intense build up from the escape from prison to the airport (and packed with stunts in between).

I know I'm a little off topic, and again, I really did enjoy the new pilot - and it was LOADS better than KR2000. But the remakes just haven's been able to recreate that showcasing of the car's abilities. That Andron guy kept saying they want to reveal KITT's abilities over the course of the series - if it goes to one. But why? KotP went all out in the very beginning, REALLY displaying that KITT was a super car. And I don't know why they think that isn't a good route to take.

Just some comparisons of the 3 pilots :-P
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Post by greelywinger » Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:10 pm

The only real highlight for me was the first meeting between Michael & Devon (at Michael's cabin).
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Post by Army_F_Body » Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:30 am

Didn't the original script involve the 2000 being used as test fodder for the 4000 on a Foundation targeting range?
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