knight rider online

ok, first off I would like to point out that Nullsoft (the creators of shoutcast: the #1 streaming audio service) has now developed an extension of shoutcast that can now broadcast video. it is very complicated for a newbie but thanks to there message boards there is a tutorial plus real help from real users incase you get lost.

now here is the main part. since this ability is now available, i figured that it would be a good idea to start a web-based TV station that run nothing but the KR episodes (and possibly the movies) 24/7.

now here are the catches:
1) must either have all the episodes on your Hard Drive or have some kinda capture card hooked up to VCR and be able to switch tapes as needed to prevent dead air from being broadcasted.
2) you must have a very decent computer (at least 800MHZ) with at least 500kbps upload on the net connection.
3) have to get a very good server to broadcast this. there are a bunch of shoutcast hosting providers on the net, but don't know any that have prices for Nullsfot Video broadcasting yet. but if you plan on running the server on your own PC (which is very easy and do-able) plan on having atleast an OC-10 connection to allow alot of ppl to tune in simultaneously.

and quite frankly I meet none of these on hand except possibly the upload speed required to send out the video to the server.

any opinions on this are quite welcome.



also, if anyone wants to sample this new service, just go to http://www.winamp.com, get Winamp 2.9 and use the new library function to tune in to any "Internet TV" statios listed.

I'm not sure that this is something that is actually legal. Usually companies like Universal forbid the rebroadcasting of episodes. And I'm not too sure that they would be happy about it regardless, because people can capture streams and save the files, thus allowing people to pirate episodes (see Apple's iTunes). It's a discussion that perhaps should be brought up to the creators of the service in their forums, before we amass a movement to support it. It could wind up doing more harm then good.

well, I do agree with the legality part. but as far as capturing streams, there is no automated way to do this yet since this service is brand new. so without any kind of TV-out to recording VCR, there is no other way. but yes, I do agree with legality issues.


and if I do put a topic on the NSV forums about this, what exactly should I ask? cuz I would luv to see this happen and dont want any legal issues get in the way.

also. not to offend anyone, but how would this be any different from what KnightRadio is doing? I see no difference except for the fact that one is video and audio and the other is just audio.

The only difference is a huuuuuge difference, Knight Radio obtained licensing to air the songs.

-scott

Vchat20 wrote:also. not to offend anyone, but how would this be any different from what KnightRadio is doing? I see no difference except for the fact that one is video and audio and the other is just audio.

Exactly, if Knight Radio broadcasted the episodes Universal would have a huge stink fest. Knight Radio, namely Knightimmortal, works very hard to insure that every single song on there has proper clearance. If they didn't, then the companies that own them could come down on them harder than white on rice. (sorry, i mean very hard)

If you, or anyone, doesn't go through proper channels to get clearances from Universal, you could potentially put yourselves in danger legally. Last we checked, Universal isn't letting go of those for free, and it will take a nice amount of change to get it.

what about the little legal notice shown on home video's right at the beginning? wouldn't that do?

and even at that, I do not see how this station would get so much viewers that some place like Universal would find out. cuz the last time I looked, KnightRadio isn't getting a whole lot of listeners, and it has been on for quite a while now, am I right? just think of how this 24/7 KR station would be?

and I still agree how you would like to stay as legal as possible. but I doubt it is going to go very far from this board thus means no worries about being caught by some big companies like Universal.

you need to read it closer. it says that universal forbids anything but private use, since they have the rights to the videos. you don't have the rights, and the internet isn't private, it's public, so the warning wouldn't do since you don't have the rights to begin with.

since you haven't been around much, you don't have the history of what has taken place, but know that awhile back now Universal's attention was brought to this board. And to think that there presence isn't still here and not still watching over is probably a naive thing to do. They would find out about it, the internet isn't as big as you think (or I wish). I would be careful with anything that attempts to infringe on their rights.

hmm. i dont see why we couldnt go through with it. i mean, the least universal could do if they did find out is give us a warning and demand it be shutdown. they couldnt just right away give us a lwsuit. first it is not ethical and secondly it is a law.

and I have dealt with this kind of situation before. i was recently (and still am) in a group tha was creating a pokemon mmorpg. they wanted to stay legit, yet they knew this project wasnt. but instead they kept at it. and it was going perfectly until nintendo sent them an email demnading it be shutdown. being legit as they are shut it down as nintendo demanded. now they are doing a similar mmorpg, but it is an idea all their own thus removing any legal issues that had followed the previous project.

You can go through with it all you like, but its something that I can't recommened anyone support, and this site can't support. If Universal wants us to remove the offending stuff off of our site, they will contact both us and our web hosting provider. 9 time out of 10, the provider will just pull the site without question, because its easier to turn something off then to put money into fighting it. I don't want the headache of having to rebuild this site. So unless you can secure proper clearances to re broadcast episodes, this is a discussion that this site can sadly not support.

Vchat20: as they've been trying to tell you, what you want to do is most definately *not* legal. It's not private use. You're trying to do what SciFi is doing already. KR eps are not 'free use' they're *COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL* KI obtained the rights for the songs she uses on Knight Radio through painstaking lists and matching. Knight Radio is also licensed and has plenty of listeners. You MAY NOT rebroadcast entire episodes without Universal's express permission IN WRITING. It is grounds for a LAWSUIT, they do NOT have to warn you, that's only a courtesy, and it can also open up a whole can of worms for the rest of the community. I, for one, do not want my website scrutinized and possibly yanked because someone broke the law and sent Universal on a spree like WB did over Harry Potter.

Please, don't be stupid. Listen to what we're trying to tell you. We're saying it because we know.

Rusti