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What Glen Larson thought of TKR and KR08

Postby Knight Racer » Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:50 pm

Ever wondered what the original creator of knight rider felt about the remakes? I sure have. I thought his opinion on the matter would have been lost to us forever but I'm glad it came up in an interview before he passed.


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Re: What Glen Larson thought of TKR and KR08

Postby Assasinge » Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:43 pm

That was a very clear explanation of what a disaster TKR and KR 08 were, words taken right out of my mouth. I'm sure almost everyone here can agree with the late Mr. Larson's words...
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Re: What Glen Larson thought of TKR and KR08

Postby KFCreator » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:27 am

I don't agree with his words. First off, and this is purely just a minor correction to him, it was 5 people and 5 vehicles, not 6, in Team Knight Rider. Secondly, it wasn't a "disaster." If memory serves (and I've googled it and come up with nothing to see what the actual ratings were during the entire series' run), the show started off very strong in ratings and then steadily declined, just as Knight Rider 2008 did. In terms of quality for each of them, I re-watched all of KR 2008 a few months ago and I cringed just as much at every bad line of dialogue, awkward situation, and attempt at humor as when it aired. I still liked certain moments, characters, and episodes very much, but it just lacked consistency. It's one of those series that took too long to try to find it's footing and was just too immature in a lot of it's tastes. Immediately after that, I re-watched all of TKR for probably the first time since they aired, and actually, I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed it. I hardly cringed at all, although there were a few times. But the dialogue was better than the 2008 series overall, the action was almost entirely practical effects vs. CGI (i.e. more realism), there were very few overtly sexual scenes, and the humor was sometimes dry but not childish. TKR also was cheesy in a way that the original series was and KR 2008 lacked. But then again, TKR aired in 1997-1998, at the same time we had shows like Lois & Clark, Buffy, Xena, and Hercules,all of which embraced cheesiness to varying levels and it worked.

I personally think both TKR and Knight Rider 2008 could have become much better than they were had they been given a chance at a second season. Many shows learn from their first season mistakes and become great. I cringe so many times watching season 1 of Star Trek: TNG (and even season 2 had some real duds), but by season 3 it had solidified in a way that made people take notice. I think the same could have happened for TKR and KR 2008.

I think Mr. Larson was just annoyed that both shows didn't follow his recipe of the original series. But you're talking about trying to recreate lightning in a bottle and the original series was, in a lot of ways, a product of its time. The world itself had changed drastically between the end of the original series and TKR, and changed more drastically yet again between then and the 2008 series. You can't copy/paste the original KR formula into a late nineties or late 2000's time period and expect it to work the same. It had to be modified and the brains behind both revivals knew that and they also tried to appeal to the tastes of our culture at those times too. I think most of what made the original series work so well could be duplicated for a new audience today with the right creative talent and understanding of the material, but Mr. Larson seemed to almost suggest in that interview that only he knew what was best for the franchise, and that irritates me.
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Re: What Glen Larson thought of TKR and KR08

Postby Assasinge » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:14 pm

Man, wasn't he like 70 or 80 something at the time of the video? Go figure man.
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Re: What Glen Larson thought of TKR and KR08

Postby snafu » Sat Jul 29, 2017 5:30 pm

TKR and KR08 were far from perfect. I just like that they featured AIs in vehicles. There are parts that annoy me about each series that I felt were added for pure stupidity: the dry-humping in the last aired episode of KR08, the grade-school banter TKR and the way they made Attack Beast sound like he was always misfiring. (if that's supposed to be the TritonV8, it barely makes any noise at all unless you floor it or run straight pipes)
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Re: What Glen Larson thought of TKR and KR08

Postby jup » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:15 am

In my area, Team Knight Rider only aired during the mid-day airings on an off name channel that would become FOX. And I imagine the show had similar bad slots in other places around the Earth.

And the effects had to be real stunts. For, I remember the 'Action Pack' people whom were making these shows trying for a Centaur on their Hercules show on a TV budget for CG of it's day. It was bad. Really bad. Looked like the CG was just barely able to make it even happen.

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Re: What Glen Larson thought of TKR and KR08

Postby KFCreator » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:11 pm

As far as I could tell, the extent of the CGI in TKR was the graphics of the vehicles on screen rotating around whenever they spoke, the missiles/lasers/EMP pulses the vehicles periodically fired, and parts of the building collapsing in the final episode (which also featured questionable blue screening and interior explosions). Aside from that, every other outdoor explosion, crash, etc was pretty much all practical effects. And man, did they go all out for some those.

I will say that while the CGI for the 2008 series was pretty good overall, it was unnecessary in a lot of scenes. For instance, why did they have the CGI the outdoor scenery whenever there was an interior shot of characters whenever they sat inside KITT? Especially when driving? Wouldn't it have been easier and cheaper to just mount cameras to the sides of the vehicle like they did for the original series? It would have looked 100% realistic that way too. Sometimes, I just don't get VFX decisions on TV shows.
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Re: What Glen Larson thought of TKR and KR08

Postby Assasinge » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:50 am

KFCreator wrote:Wouldn't it have been easier and cheaper to just mount cameras to the sides of the vehicle like they did for the original series? It would have looked 100% realistic that way too. Sometimes, I just don't get VFX decisions on TV shows.


Shhhh...then they would actually have to walk outside and move their bodies and everything man!
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Re: What Glen Larson thought of TKR and KR08

Postby james olden » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:07 pm

KFCreator wrote:I don't agree with his words. First off, and this is purely just a minor correction to him, it was 5 people and 5 vehicles, not 6, in Team Knight Rider. Secondly, it wasn't a "disaster." If memory serves (and I've googled it and come up with nothing to see what the actual ratings were during the entire series' run), the show started off very strong in ratings and then steadily declined, just as Knight Rider 2008 did. In terms of quality for each of them, I re-watched all of KR 2008 a few months ago and I cringed just as much at every bad line of dialogue, awkward situation, and attempt at humor as when it aired. I still liked certain moments, characters, and episodes very much, but it just lacked consistency. It's one of those series that took too long to try to find it's footing and was just too immature in a lot of it's tastes. Immediately after that, I re-watched all of TKR for probably the first time since they aired, and actually, I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed it. I hardly cringed at all, although there were a few times. But the dialogue was better than the 2008 series overall, the action was almost entirely practical effects vs. CGI (i.e. more realism), there were very few overtly sexual scenes, and the humor was sometimes dry but not childish. TKR also was cheesy in a way that the original series was and KR 2008 lacked. But then again, TKR aired in 1997-1998, at the same time we had shows like Lois & Clark, Buffy, Xena, and Hercules,all of which embraced cheesiness to varying levels and it worked.

I personally think both TKR and Knight Rider 2008 could have become much better than they were had they been given a chance at a second season. Many shows learn from their first season mistakes and become great. I cringe so many times watching season 1 of Star Trek: TNG (and even season 2 had some real duds), but by season 3 it had solidified in a way that made people take notice. I think the same could have happened for TKR and KR 2008.

I think Mr. Larson was just annoyed that both shows didn't follow his recipe of the original series. But you're talking about trying to recreate lightning in a bottle and the original series was, in a lot of ways, a product of its time. The world itself had changed drastically between the end of the original series and TKR, and changed more drastically yet again between then and the 2008 series. You can't copy/paste the original KR formula into a late nineties or late 2000's time period and expect it to work the same. It had to be modified and the brains behind both revivals knew that and they also tried to appeal to the tastes of our culture at those times too. I think most of what made the original series work so well could be duplicated for a new audience today with the right creative talent and understanding of the material, but Mr. Larson seemed to almost suggest in that interview that only he knew what was best for the franchise, and that irritates me.



knignt rider 2008 screwed up alot of things which could've been cleared up if it could've got a second season like filling in the gaps from 1986-2008 but the main issue they should've never screwed up from the beginning was.....
not involving the Hoff (he could've been the Devon miles character) he was only in pilot movie that was a cameo appearance.
On the Quest for filling in the gaps from right after after Scent of Roses 1986- Knight Rider 2008


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