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Aside from a physical change, I get the drift that K.I.T.T.'s evolution will be more then just the sum of his parts or the mustang "modes". A lot of people are addressing his physical appearance but I see his evolution being deeper then that.

My guess is GST said K.I.T.T. would evolve with each episode, but I don't think it will be in a positive manner.
I may be wrong but I have to admit I'm pretty good at seeing things coming before they happen. I'm one of those people who saw the twist coming in The Sixth Sense, I, Robot, and The Da Vinci Code.

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I reckon you're right Victor. The world we live in now is very different ot that of 25 years ago and I'd say KI3T will inevitably pick up some 'rogue learning' along the way.

This is what excites me most about this new series - there's possibly a depth to it that wasn't in the original - yes KI2T learned and developed as the series progressed but any attempts to subvert him were always corrected at the end of 45 minutes as they drove off into the sunset. KR08 is showing real signs that it'll follow the route you've suggested but the excitement will then come in seeing how it'll be resolved. I gather GST has a 13 episode, full season and 2 season plan so far, so it'll be interesting to see how it plays out over whichever duration.

The success of series like 24, Lost and Heroes et al have seen a public's taste for season long arcs and although I've said before that I think KR should always be fairly standalone episodically in it's format, it is the longer arcs that make a series more rewarding for the fans.

I agree too and it could be interesting..... I wonder how they'll go about "fixing" the problem, how it's handled is going to be important. I think it might be too much of a cop out to resolve it on one episode and where they just manage wipe KI3K's memory and start over from scratch.In a way, I think if done they shouldn't go as far making KI3K turn on everyone, maybe leave it where he still trust Mike, perhaps up until Mike himself tries to "fix" him and it's taken as a sense of betrayal. Hopefully they actually do a lot of work on building KITT/Mike relationship/dynamic before this happens.

I do think that KI3T's evolution will revolve around the choices he makes and what he learns from others. I imagine what he is expected to learn and achieve in the governement eyes will conflict with what he learns and is expect from Mike, he is after all the rebel, loner type. This would create issues with who he should side with and impact on the descisons he has to make for himself. All KI3T's sources will have there own agendas/opinions leading KI3T follow suit and find his own agenda.

I can imagine KIFT's "we would have sustained no damage from hitting that animal" logic will play an inherent part in this new saga. he will need to be taught to think less clinically. It is also possible that the government/military will at first embrace this colder attitude as a weaponised miltary KI3T could be very useful in their hands. He could develop an arrogence of his superiority that leads him to possibily turn on inferior beings or at least disobey orders. However there needs to be balance of good and bad lessons learnt along the way.

I think as intriguing this direction is that great care should be taken in its implentation because it is the type of thing that has been done many times before In things I robot, skynet and the like. Those AI's all went rogue but thats all well and good because they became the enemy and that was ultimately (plotwise) their purpose. KI3T is supposed to be the hero, when he crosses certain lines he cannot be the hero again and surely if he got too dangerous he would be destroyed not given a second chance.
It would be a huge cop out to simply have KI3T's AI saved from an earlier time, or rebuilt or rebooted to fix this issue.

Plus although this could be the darker KITT GST was eluding to but cheesy and cliche'd as it might be to have a new evil car considering the power that KI3T holds surely he needs a semi equal opponent to face once and a while, and a great villian is always good to have so i believe that still remains a definate possibilty

Niggle Snoosh wrote:I do think that KI3T's evolution will revolve around the choices he makes and what he learns from others. I imagine what he is expected to learn and achieve in the governement eyes will conflict with what he learns and is expect from Mike, he is after all the rebel, loner type. This would create issues with who he should side with and impact on the descisons he has to make for himself. All KI3T's sources will have there own agendas/opinions leading KI3T follow suit and find his own agenda.

I can imagine KIFT's "we would have sustained no damage from hitting that animal" logic will play an inherent part in this new saga. he will need to be taught to think less clinically. It is also possible that the government/military will at first embrace this colder attitude as a weaponised miltary KI3T could be very useful in their hands. He could develop an arrogence of his superiority that leads him to possibily turn on inferior beings or at least disobey orders. However there needs to be balance of good and bad lessons learnt along the way.

I think as intriguing this direction is that great care should be taken in its implentation because it is the type of thing that has been done many times before In things I robot, skynet and the like. Those AI's all went rogue but thats all well and good because they became the enemy and that was ultimately (plotwise) their purpose. KI3T is supposed to be the hero, when he crosses certain lines he cannot be the hero again and surely if he got too dangerous he would be destroyed not given a second chance.
It would be a huge cop out to simply have KI3T's AI saved from an earlier time, or rebuilt or rebooted to fix this issue.

Agreed.

If you look up the phrase "Huge Cop Out" in any dictionary, it now says "See Russell T Davies' Doctor Who Reset Button"

I do think this is a possibility as well. I'm not certain that modern audiences will embrace the "twin" type story lines that Knight Rider used to have, they have to be a little more deep rooted then that.
I wonder too if the character of Alex Torres and the hints about his ulterior motives will influence KITT, whether by the AI learning or being reprogrammed so.

So there are two angles of possibility for me, 1 - he gets programmed to disobey by people like Torres, or his AI just evolves to make wrong choices. His AI evolving I guess is more interesting as a character device - but it seems something is missing that the other KITT had.

maybe Ki3t was designed to have different drivers if need be, for example if Mike Traceur hadnt been up to the job or had turned his back on it...

the original KITT was designed specifically for "Michael Arthur Long" as Devon says to him in the KOTP and maybe that is why they made the new AI more adaptable....

This is a great discussion, this has had me excited since earlier this week after the magazine blurb about it. I think you're dead on VK.

I hope if this does develop like this that then will be the time where they bring back Hoff and KITT to try and retrieve KI3T and my guess is they will have KITT sacrifice himself for the team somehow and then somehow at the end of the episode or ark give his AI back to Michael in some form but his body will be destroyed and that'll be their way of sort of passing the torch or having KITT go out with a bang so to speak.

Knight316 wrote:I hope if this does develop like this that then will be the time where they bring back Hoff and KITT to try and retrieve KI3T and my guess is they will have KITT sacrifice himself for the team somehow and then somehow at the end of the episode or ark give his AI back to Michael in some form but his body will be destroyed and that'll be their way of sort of passing the torch or having KITT go out with a bang so to speak.

I agree, it would be kind of cool to have KI2T sacrifice himself to save them all. including the new KITT. That way he can go out as the true hero!!!!!
Maybe it is just wishfull thinking but i would like a really heroic nod to KI2T.

KITTRINA wrote:I agree, it would be kind of cool to have KI2T sacrifice himself to save them all. including the new KITT. That way he can go out as the true hero!!!!!
Maybe it is just wishfull thinking but i would like a really heroic nod to KI2T.

It sounds so much better than having him deactivated.But lets hope KITT never dies!

Hmm... the intrigue factor for this show goes up in the mind of this newb. I thought the show would be just the secret agent Traceur with a robotic talking car that would be at his beck and call.

With this talk (sans the spoilers, which I didn't read), this may not be the case! Ki3t may just be a character in and of himself. He may be machine that evolves as the series progresses, not unlike Data or The Doctor from Star Trek.

Facinating!

With This show, in adition to the others on my list (The Mentalist looks good as does My Own Worst Enemy in addition to my staple, Heroes) this TV season's gonna be a blast!

ETA: I'm no Trekkie, BTW, at least not now. I was when TNG and Voyager were on, but I've largely moved on, with a deep respect for Star Trek remaining.

My feeling is that KITT will evolve by becoming more human in a good way... starting to show more compassion and understanding the concept of feelings and emotions.

But let's suppose KITT does become more aggressive and starts adapting more negative qualities... FANTASTIC! I would love to see a multi-episode story arc like that. Chariot of Gold and Killer KITT were great episodes, but how much better would it be if instead of KITT suddenly becoming evil, we could actually watch the personality transformation take place spanning several weeks, followed by redemption.

Characters need to evolve to be interesting. It makes perfect sense that KITT should evolve. I assume he will develop some positive traits, and perhaps some negative traits. And that is what will make him an interesting, deep character that the audience will care about.

I think kitt will end up changing into a transformer with val kilmer as batman driving. Imagine the ratings

FX23 wrote:I think kitt will end up changing into a transformer with val kilmer as batman driving. Imagine the ratings

Better than watching David Hasselhoff transforming into a 55 year old version of Michael Knight and creaking around in a 25 year old classic car.

Oh wait - that's what you'd really want to watch isn't it.

yes the return of the real knight rider would be preferable to this kid jason in some mish mash bollocks up of a show

Again, who's Jason?

PHOENIXZERO wrote:Again, who's Jason?

Im gunna hazzard a guess that he means Justin....

He's just trying to be a 'rebel' by using The Hoff's mistake of calling him Jason. Get over it, David and the T/A are not leads and are held to cameos that I'm sure will be episodes made to appease old fans, hopefully. In a perfect world we would all love 'season 5' but unfortunately we're skipping all the way to about season 26. If you're absolutely disgusted by the new series then you can make the choice to not watch it. If you're so disinterested by KR08 then why make such meager attempts to get involved in the discussion? I'm sure everyone has issues here or there with the new incarnation but by being childish about it is doing NOTHING. You think it should be different? Be proactive, start a petition or something. Every time you post lately FX23 it's like you're trying to launch yourself a pity party and I don't see anyones heart pumping purple piss for you dude.

together we can make a stand about the direction of the new series

FX23 wrote:together we can make a stand about the direction of the new series

I'm sure you have many that would follow your lead, so what do you propose to do?

are you joining the numbers?

FX23 wrote:are you joining the numbers?

If it will change the things I want changed then I probably would, in fact the whole active member base would be I'm sure.

Yeah, I know that's what it was from but it's just stupid to keep repeating it and deserves ridicule..

PHOENIXZERO wrote:Yeah, I know that's what it was from but it's just stupid to keep repeating it and deserves ridicule..

I'm sure Jason would agree.

Stylez wrote:Every time you post lately FX23 it's like you're trying to launch yourself a pity party and I don't see anyones heart pumping purple piss for you dude.

Good God - I haven't read anything that funny for years - note to self - put down drink when reading posts here - monitiors aren't THAT cheap...