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Common you and I know that that is something they could never, ever get away with on mainstream commercial television if this show was in HBO or Showtime then that and more would be a possibility but not in it's current medium.Lynda414 wrote:Shhh! They haven't yet. Don't give them any ideas!
Well you keep missing my point which is that they can't period!Lynda414 wrote:I think they could definitely sink lower than they have already, and I don't want to give them any ideas. I don't even want them talking about see-through bikinis.
They can't show them on a PERSON. I can totally see Mike going through Sarah's things and finding one though. Or maybe Zoe...PunkMaister wrote:Well you keep missing my point which is that they can't period!Lynda414 wrote:I think they could definitely sink lower than they have already, and I don't want to give them any ideas. I don't even want them talking about see-through bikinis.
And what do you mean by talk anyway? That they would somehow add that to a dialogue in the script? That would be utterly ridiculous if they did. Man I'm considering suing some fellow members for giving me a notion about Sarah I know we cannot ever have! Darn you all!
OK now you are just fishing and honestly for no good reason since they did improve things a lot in the last episode and there is no evidence to suggest that they will revert back, Frankly I do mind them showing off a little skin every now and then, the old show did that brilliantly and measured and there is no reason that they could do the same.Lynda414 wrote:They can't show them on a PERSON. I can totally see Mike going through Sarah's things and finding one though. Or maybe Zoe...
Hehe, okay, you got me. I am just having fun at this point. The show has gotten better. I will admit that I am a little worried that it might slip back down to what it once was, but I do feel fairly optimistic.PunkMaister wrote:OK now you are just fishing and honestly for no good reason since they did improve things a lot in the last episode and there is no evidence to suggest that they will revert back, Frankly I do mind them showing off a little skin every now and then, the old show did that brilliantly and measured and there is no reason that they could do the same.Lynda414 wrote:They can't show them on a PERSON. I can totally see Mike going through Sarah's things and finding one though. Or maybe Zoe...
Somewhere in between the extremes would be best. Much more realistic. I personally have encountered too many of those "militant feminist" types. One made the mistake of gloating that her hourly wage was higher than mine and claimed that my profession was somehow less worthwhile than hers, and using that as a means to attempt to break my spirit rather than recognize that the lower-paying job I had then was only a temporary step along the way to something much more. She sure became quite the weepy mess (bordering on stalker) when I landed my dream job and sent her packing. Call it poetic justice.Mr.Marcus wrote:Being a secure male who isn't persuaded by what society says I should be attracted to, I can't help by eye roll whenever a girl like Sarah beats up 3 guys. All my exes and my current gf can't do completed tasks without making it a dramatic production and/or crying about it. 10 page papers used to send one of my exes into a full blown crying session. All the woman in my life have needed my help to fix their car, open a jar, kill a rat, etc. Its hard for me to accept a woman like Sarah beating up multiple guys without any help when I know this is very rare in reality. Keep that stuff on Smallville, not on KR which is supposed to be for my gender.
You don't remember well. The guy was coming on to her pretty aggressively. I'm the first to bitch whenever a woman is given free pass to raise her hand in a situation where a guy would've been marred as a "woman beater", but in this particular situation the guy had moved on to "touching". Without provocation.She beat up a guy because he was interested in her and from what I remember was not being rude, is this what they want to teach the young ladies out there that violence is the answer.
Okay okay, let’s try to keep the focus on the character and not broad generalizations. I admit I am only human and have stereotyped groups myself. But I also realize that it was a wrong and hurtful thing for me to do. Somehow I don’t imagine when RC3 was brought in, that the discussion swung towards those “militant civil rights types.” Or how as a white male majority you would prefer to see a white character behind the wheel of KITT and African Americans should be sitting in the back seat.jshorva65 wrote: Somewhere in between the extremes would be best. Much more realistic. I personally have encountered too many of those "militant feminist" types. One made the mistake of gloating that her hourly wage was higher than mine and claimed that my profession was somehow less worthwhile than hers, and using that as a means to attempt to break my spirit rather than recognize that the lower-paying job I had then was only a temporary step along the way to something much more. She sure became quite the weepy mess (bordering on stalker) when I landed my dream job and sent her packing. Call it poetic justice.
No, I don't find it "sexy" for a woman to make a habit of picking fights. I find Zoey's "female supremacist" attitude in need of an adjustment. "Helpless" women are also not my idea of attractive. I guess Sarah's character seems to show a somewhat realistic combination of strength and vulnerability. And, yes, the guy she punched out at the bar in Knight to Kings Pawn had crossed a line or two and deserved to be decked.
Look, if you want to show a girl defend herself that's fine. My issue is with the gratuitous female on male violence just for the purpose of showing a girl kick a guy's ass.jshorva65 wrote:Somewhere in between the extremes would be best. Much more realistic. I personally have encountered too many of those "militant feminist" types. One made the mistake of gloating that her hourly wage was higher than mine and claimed that my profession was somehow less worthwhile than hers, and using that as a means to attempt to break my spirit rather than recognize that the lower-paying job I had then was only a temporary step along the way to something much more. She sure became quite the weepy mess (bordering on stalker) when I landed my dream job and sent her packing. Call it poetic justice.Mr.Marcus wrote:Being a secure male who isn't persuaded by what society says I should be attracted to, I can't help by eye roll whenever a girl like Sarah beats up 3 guys. All my exes and my current gf can't do completed tasks without making it a dramatic production and/or crying about it. 10 page papers used to send one of my exes into a full blown crying session. All the woman in my life have needed my help to fix their car, open a jar, kill a rat, etc. Its hard for me to accept a woman like Sarah beating up multiple guys without any help when I know this is very rare in reality. Keep that stuff on Smallville, not on KR which is supposed to be for my gender.
No, I don't find it "sexy" for a woman to make a habit of picking fights. I find Zoey's "female supremacist" attitude in need of an adjustment. "Helpless" women are also not my idea of attractive. I guess Sarah's character seems to show a somewhat realistic combination of strength and vulnerability. And, yes, the guy she punched out at the bar in Knight to Kings Pawn had crossed a line or two and deserved to be decked.
I'm not saying she should be completely useless. But they need to get rid of the gratuitous female on male violence. Not only is it unrealistic and laughable it doesn't move the story.Lynda414 wrote:I think that the reason you find yourself around women that are helpless, is because you have been conditioned to be attracted by that sort of woman. How old were you when you watched TOS? I'm only saying that watching MK Sr saving the damsel in distress every week might have affected you and you don't realize it.Mr.Marcus wrote:I dispute that. Men more than ever are being told what they should like, what they should do, how they should behave. We've been groomed to believe the strong butt kicking woman is a sexual ideal. Sadly, most guys don't question this and will follow anything to get tail. So its an accepted norm today. Lots of guys find the butt kicking girl who talks down to them, hot. I'm not saying your friends are wrong, I think they 100% believe in what they've told you but realize its a product of social conditioning. Much like how the Romans thought the ideal woman was one who stayed out of politics, business, war and spun on her loom all day.Lynda414 wrote:I agree mostly with lunchmeat. Sarah knowing self-defense is not a bad thing. I think she's overdone it in past episodes. I notice that she tends to pick fights. She definitely needs to be more mature than that if she wants to run FLAG.
And I think I have to disagree with Mr. Marcus on one point. Watching a hot girl beating up a bunch of guys is not really the female fantasy. Most girls, straight ones, like to fantasize about guys being the hero. It's a dated concept, yeah, but it's in our genes. And I've talked to a few guys about this and they all say that a hot, ass-kicking gorl is hot. So I think that Sarah really does cater to the male demographic.
I do agree with Mr Marcus that the angst has to go. But you don't have to sacrifice the relationship in order to get rid of the angst. Just downplay the whole relationship thing. Don't even mention it in a few eps. I think the only relationship that should have a lot of focus is between Mike and KI3T. Sarah should be helping that along instead of KI3T plaguing Michael with questions about Sarah and spying on the two of them with Billy and Zoe. That definitely has to go.
It's all about the car, really. For me anyway.
Being a secure male who isn't persuaded by what society says I should be attracted to, I can't help by eye roll whenever a girl like Sarah beats up 3 guys. All my exes and my current gf can't do completed tasks without making it a dramatic production and/or crying about it. 10 page papers used to send one of my exes into a full blown crying session. All the woman in my life have needed my help to fix their car, open a jar, kill a rat, etc. Its hard for me to accept a woman like Sarah beating up multiple guys without any help when I know this is very rare in reality. Keep that stuff on Smallville, not on KR which is supposed to be for my gender.
And of course not every girl should be able to take on three guys. But it's a dangerous world out there, basic self defense is nearly a must. I do have a problem with Sarah picking fights, but I don't think she should be completely useless.
And yes, I have the BF open the jars and kill the spiders, but he likes being useful. I also don't turn into a sobbing wreck when he's not around to do those things for me though.
- Wow. Single handily insulting every single woman on the planet. Good luck to who ever marries you...
Surely you mean pity?neps wrote: Good luck to who ever marries you...
Seconded... Me thinks M needs some therapy or something. WOW!neps wrote:
I'm so flabbergasted by your post that I'm speechless!
In case you didn't know,I'm a female. *hugs* Let's just ignore him. He's beyond our help.Sky_Blue_Civic wrote:In case some of you didn't know...I'm an example of one of the people who's just been insulted.
Thank you, Sue. I am with you on this one.Sue wrote:Okay okay, let’s try to keep the focus on the character and not broad generalizations. I admit I am only human and have stereotyped groups myself. But I also realize that it was a wrong and hurtful thing for me to do. Somehow I don’t imagine when RC3 was brought in, that the discussion swung towards those “militant civil rights types.” Or how as a white male majority you would prefer to see a white character behind the wheel of KITT and African Americans should be sitting in the back seat.
For the most part I think this thread has been a really great discussion and a lot of good points have been made. I’m hoping we can keep it going without it turning into an all out battle of the sexes. I think that actually we might all agree on some of the points being made about Sarah’s roll in the show. But I think it would be easier to agree on them if they were phrased with a little more care. Also it would be nice if women could be judged on a little bit more than whether or not they are sexy.
Not here, isn't that enough? ^_^PunkMaister wrote:So where has Mr.Misogynist has gone too?
Please don't stoke the flames. There's no reason to provoke anyone on these boards, regardless of who they are. Let's let it lie.PunkMaister wrote:So where has Mr.Misogynist has gone too?
Agreed again.lunchmeat wrote:Please don't stoke the flames. There's no reason to provoke anyone on these boards, regardless of who they are. Let's let it lie.PunkMaister wrote:So where has Mr.Misogynist has gone too?
Discussion about Sarah's glasses, her proposed new look, and character reboot are still open....
