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KARR's Self-Preservation programming.

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:06 pm
by Knicks4973
I was thinking about this, KARR's self-preservation programming, and it occured to me at the time KARR was first built the self-preservation programming was correct. It turns out later on his self-preservation programmingwas wrong.

The thought behind the self-preservation programming was to protect both KARR and his passenger. However, if KARR had no passenger, he had no need to protect anyone, except for himself. That's what made him dangerous. KITT on the other hand has the programming for protecting human life, for both his passenger(s) or people on the outside. In Chariot of Gold, he couldn't kill Michael, because of his protecting of human life programming.

In TDR, KARR was protective of The Rev and Tony, even though he ejected Tony in the end, he did so to lighten the weight, but possibly to protect him as well.

In KvK, he eventually let John and Mandy go before his confrontation with KITT. He did threaten to kill Mandy, though I doubt he would have if John refused.

Re: KARR's Self-Preservation programming.

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:11 pm
by MKnightRider82
I was thinking about this, KARR's self-preservation programming, and it occured to me at the time KARR was first built the self-preservation programming was correct. It turns out later on his self-preservation programming was wrong.


Are you trying to say they had him just like KITT, but his programming malfunctioned and made him be his own way?

I always thought since he was supposedly the first artificially intelligent car, they did not exactly get the programming for a car to serve and protect 100% correct. They ended up making KARR so that he only watched out for himself. But by learning from that mistake, more research was done and the engineers did what they could to make sure the next car had the care for its human driver.

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:44 pm
by CB2001
To be honest, though I could be wrong, I do believe there is more than what we see with KARR.

For the idea I had with doing another script for a "Knight Rider" movie, I was going to explain that Garth Knight reprogrammed KARR to be self- preserving as a means of stopping Wilton's dream and out of hatred towards his father.

Maybe, for the series itself, KARR may have actually been reprogrammed. There's no evidence in the show to suggest this, but there's nothing saying that it's not possible either.

Re: KARR's Self-Preservation programming.

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:55 pm
by Michael Pajaro
Knicks4973 wrote:In KvK, he eventually let John and Mandy go before his confrontation with KITT. He did threaten to kill Mandy, though I doubt he would have if John refused.


I'd go along with the idea that KARR wouldn't kill her, but only because then he would lose his main bargaining tool. It would have nothing to do with caring one way or another for her well-being.

As far as KARR's programming being "correct", I'm not sure I follow you. I think you're saying that the philosophy behind his programming made sense: if the car is protected, so is the driver. But then when they actually applied that program, it didn't work as expected.

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:57 am
by coolgyger
I'm sure i don't follow either with KARR's programming being "correct". Karr's Programming was too in it's prototype phase, a mere experiment. and if you actully look at it from a technical standpoint, KiTT's programming and ways of dealing with emotions was a prototype of it's own. :karr:

You see, KARR never could understand emotions other than hate. KiTT, on the other hand, learned about these emotions as he worked with micheal, and as he learned, he began to use them.

Let me end my nonsense here.

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:58 am
by Arjun
This 'self-preservation' bit vanishes at the end of KvK, doesn't it?

Why would he want to do a turbo boost straight into KITT, when it could damage him? Why was he even at the scene, when his circuits were blown by the laser reflection? And what happened to the molecular bonded shell? Why did it not protect him from the laser? Clearly, this was NOT KARR, but some look alike, controlled by a mad scientist.

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:04 am
by Knicks4973
As far as KARR's programming being "correct", I'm not sure I follow you. I think you're saying that the philosophy behind his programming made sense: if the car is protected, so is the driver. But then when they actually applied that program, it didn't work as expected.


That is exactly what I am trying to say. KARR is as advanced as KITT is, but never had the time to fully develop a personality of his own because he wasn't active very long, due to the flaw in the self-preservation programming.

As long as KARR had a driver, he was protective of them. Once KARR was alone, all that mattered to him was protecting himself.

In KvK, when KARR was damaged from the laser, he realized there was no way for him to escape, so he ignored his self-preservation program and decided if he was going out, he would take KITT and Michael along with him. On the flip side, he could have been following his self-preservation programming when he and KITT went head on. If KARR was captured, he'd surely be destroyed. To survive, he'd risk complete destruction. He could have felt as long as his CPU was still intact, he'd had won. As we all saw at the end, his CPU was still intact, meaning he self-preserved himself.

As for KARR's MBS, in TDR, a laser shot into KARR's scanner would have rendered him useless. Now forward to KvK. The laser relection didn't render him useless, but damaged his circuitry and weakened the MBS around the scanner. When KITT and KARR collided, KITT hit KARR in the weakened scanner, destroying him.

KARR became hateful because he was stranded for 3 years, unable to get out from the sand.

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:52 pm
by kido
but what ever happened to the Karr's CPU after that?

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:35 pm
by EdwardKnoxII
They just left it in the ground. You know how FLAG is. ;)

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:00 pm
by coolgyger
I've read in some fan fictions, FLAG actually went and recovered KARR's CPU, in case they needed a CPU that was from the one thousand series. They forced KARR that if he didn't comply, they would set off explosives that were surrounding his CPU.

Re: KARR's Self-Preservation programming.

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 4:48 pm
by coolgyger
Knicks4973 wrote:In KvK, he eventually let John and Mandy go before his confrontation with KITT. He did threaten to kill Mandy, though I doubt he would have if John refused.


I hate to tell you that you are wrong in that standpoint. If KARR didn't want to kill Mandy, Why did he make nthe interior temperature to an unbearable level? He was trying to make a point. KARR's programming did not fully support the protection of human life. If it did, KARR would have never been pulled from active service.

And if KARR was trying to protect tony, he wouldn't have ejected him into the hands of the police.

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:40 pm
by Darknight
I think KARR perceived KITT as a threat to his own existence in KvK. In TDR, (I hope I'm not reversing the episodes) KARR didn't want a direct confrontation with KITT because he wasn't quite sure of KITT's abilities. He put out a front of confidence, appearing sure of himself as "superior," but I think he had some insecurities about his own abilities. Michael was right in guessing that. He accurately figured that KARR would be afraid to directly attach KITT. KARR calculated his chance of survival as being higher by avoiding KITT. Whether he knew there was a cliff there is debatable. I seem to remember yelling "noooo" as he fell, which suggests that he wasn't aware.

The second time around, KARR finally realized that as long as KITT existed, he was under a threat of capture or annihlation. That is why, I think, he decided to go for all or none. That fitted his personality. He was in that sense animalistic, like a snake, which will try to escape until it realizes that it can't. Then it will attack. Humans are that way also at times, of course.

I think pride played a role also. He saw KITT as an insult to him, so he wanted KITT destroyed. That's only a minor part of it, but still a part.

DK

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:07 am
by The Real Michael Knight
In KvK, KARR seemed smarter, how can this be? I mean in TDR, he clearly acted like a child. In KvK he acted like organized crimelord, planning traps and so forth. KARR was more cunning. But if KARR was inactive for two years, how could he evolve and grow? Maybe he learned all he needed to from Tony and Rev. lol

Anyway, you gotta love KARR's evilness at times. "A pacemaker. Well, well, well." I wonder why he caused Eddie's pacemaker to malfunction?

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:54 am
by knightimmortal
In the beginning, he couldn't conceive of what he could after being scorned. He was inactive, but that does not mean that he wasn't deactivated.

KI

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 2:17 am
by Michael Pajaro
The Real Michael Knight wrote:Anyway, you gotta love KARR's evilness at times. "A pacemaker. Well, well, well." I wonder why he caused Eddie's pacemaker to malfunction?


Nah, I didn't like "Evil KARR". "Ambivalent KARR" from Trust Doesn't Rust was such a more interesting villian. Anybody can be evil. But only the cold logic of a computer can have absolute total disregard for human life. That's what made KARR a great villian originally. In KvK, he was pretty much just like any other psycho bad guy.

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:10 pm
by Ghost-Unmade
KARR shorted Eddie's pace maker to open the opportunity for John to buy Eddie's shop. Remember Eddie wanted to get out for a little as he could afford to after his "heart attack" and offered the shop to john for next to nothing. Of course John would need the $5,000 so he would have to strike a deal with KARR.

Somewhat elaborate manipulative plot.

And yeah I love that line about the pace maker.

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 2:13 pm
by kido
I wonder if april had programed karr,knowing her attatude.

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:31 pm
by MKnightRider82
I can't think that. April seemed really nice to me. And I believe she only worked for F.L.A.G. when Bonnie was away. KARR was just not completely given the proper functioning that Wilton wanted him to have. The engineers realized what they were missing and made their correction when working on KITT.