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"Goliath" Question

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:25 pm
by Cougar
When Michael says " If we are fast enough we can take out his right front tire", was he sereious? :shock:

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:31 pm
by MKnightRider82
My guess is he probably was. That was only the first time KITT had ever been destroyed. So Michael thought nothing could stop him and penetrate the molecular bonded shell. But since Goliath had it and weighed tons more, it was able to take KITT right out. Michael thought they could probably just take out the tire, but even those were defective against KITT. I wonder why he didn't just do a turbo boost over Goliath like he did over those trucks in the pilot episode?

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:04 pm
by JL
He probably could have turbo boosted over Goliath, but the whole scene was built on the premise that Michael thought KITT was invincible, so charging a semi covered with the MBS head-on would be an okay thing.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:59 pm
by Skav
MKnightRider82 wrote: Michael thought they could probably just take out the tire, but even those were defective against KITT.


that's true in general, but not to the direct sequence since if you look carefully, you'll notice that michael had already turned too soon and goliath hit kitt's side and turned him over.

Skav

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:01 pm
by TurbomanKnight
Michael should had went along with Kitt to contact Devon.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:04 pm
by Skav
that would probably be the normal stragedy, i guess michael got a bit too big for his boots.

Skav

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:09 pm
by TurbomanKnight
True that, True that, Michael is feeling to powerful.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:10 pm
by TurbomanKnight
True that, True that, Michael is feeling to powerful.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:21 pm
by KFCreator
Here's a question that I'm wondering about: If both KITT and Goliath were coated with the molecular bonded shell and they collided, would either of the vehicles theoretically sustain damage? It's like what Michael said in "Trust Doesn't Rust" about what would happen if "an unstoppable force met an immovable object?" I guess I just don't understand how one object coated with the MBS could damage another object also coated with the MBS because supposedly it's indestructable. Any ideas?

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:40 pm
by Michael Pajaro
"Indestructable" is just a figure of speech to say that the MBS was very strong. It's like saying a computer is "crash-proof".

KITT's analogy to Zeno's paradox wasn't very accurate, because KITT and KARR were neither irresistible forces nor unmovable objects.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:01 pm
by Knicks4973
KITT as you saw sustained damaged. Even though both are coated with the MBS, Goliath is that much bigger, heaver and denser. Take this as an example:

Say you have 2 soda cans. One filled and the other empty. Both are the same type and you smash them together. The empty one will crumple because the filled one is heavier and more dense.

Same with KITT and Goliath. KITT would be damaged because of Goliaths size. Goliath would suffer some damage, but nothing compare to KITT if the collision was head-on.

Now KITT & KARR. Both are exactly the same. If KARR wasn't damaged in KvK, either both would have bounced off one another both would have been destroyed.

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:58 am
by Ghost-Unmade
IN support of Knicks' argument is the fact that reference was made in the episode, "Goliath" to the fact that size and density does matter where the MBS is concerned. Michael said at one point "something that big with KITT's Molecular bonded shell could go through anything..." the obvious implication being that Goliath can crash through significantly more "anything" than KITT can. And true to form he does blast through those huge steal doors that KITT said straight out he could break.

And as far a Michael being overconfident in KITT's indestructability, I don't think so. I think his hitting the tire plan was a viable strategy. After all we learned from later episodes that KITT's tires were weeker than his body (something about a certain kind of bullet they couldn't deflect). Michael probably went on the hunch that Goliath's tires were also weeker than his body, and if KITT hit one of them head on he would damage it.

Very Dangerous, but logical. And that's Michael's MO anyway. In the heat of the moment he relies on his intuition. How many times have you EVER really seen him effect an escape to go talk to Devon. Not that many.

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:58 pm
by djshag69
good point but i mean look at the front of both vehicles. kitt has a long nose in the front but not enough to actually go under and hit golaith's tire, even if he did cut the wheel at the right time dont you think he still would have smacked the flat front of goliath and not have come close to smacking the tire as planned?

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:27 pm
by Skav
I guess michael didn't see that until closer inspection. which would explain why you see michael already turning and kitt basically turned to a side angle before goliath hit him.

maybe michael changed his mind at the last min?

Skav

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:34 pm
by Cougar
In science we have been learning (again) about mass, momentum, and inertia stuff and someone asked what would happen if a big guy running slow and a little guy running fast ran into each other head on. We figured out that the little guy would have more momentum (a lot more) therefore knocking the big guy back. The same is true with KITT and Goliath. But both were moving at about the same speed, and KITT was the unlucky competetor.

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:24 pm
by knightimmortal
Actually, there is a little something wrong with that instance. If the little guy is running fast, and the big guy is running slow, the big guy will stop, and potentially be swayed, but the little guy's own momentum will actually work against him, and he will bounce off. the only way to knock the big guy back is if the big guy was standing still and off balance.

This can be demonstrated quite easily with toy cars, if you load one down, and you set them in motion on ramps against each other. It also depends a whole lot of where you hit on the larger vehicle, for instance, if you hit upon a joint or a weak area, it will flip or fall over. If you have the bigger vehicle hit an inclined plane, it can go up and over it. But momentum does translate into shock, and can be detrimental for the smaller object.

In this case, KITT was in fact going faster than Goliath, not only through logic (a smaller vehicle can attain the faster speed because of the lesser amount of mass it has to be pushing) but just from the visuals, KITT was going slightly faster, and he still ended up getting the ugly end of a shock reverberation.

I love demonstrating physics in a lab with a virtual unlimited budget. ;)

KI

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:02 pm
by Cougar
Yes, the teacher said it depends on where you get hit depends on what happens. We used the formula "momentm = mass x velocity". But I guess you know that already. :wink: