michaels doctor in the pilot,

[knightimmortal]

Mike isn't going to accept any other view, until his view is accepted so let's let him him have his glory, shall we? The pure fact that there is evidence against in in the episode, and evidence for it in the episode is left entirely up to him. He only wants to look at the Pilot rather than the entire whole, so that is up to him.

Sorry, I didn't know that Mike had already established the ground rules for the discussion. I guess I didn't see them anywhere. I didn't know he only wanted his interpretation for the Pilot only. So sorry.

KI

[Michael Pajaro]

Mike isn't going to accept any other view, until his view is accepted so let's let him him have his glory, shall we? The pure fact that there is evidence against in in the episode, and evidence for it in the episode is left entirely up to him. He only wants to look at the Pilot rather than the entire whole, so that is up to him.

Sorry, I didn't know that Mike had already established the ground rules for the discussion. I guess I didn't see them anywhere. I didn't know he only wanted his interpretation for the Pilot only. So sorry.

KI

Wow, that seems way out of line.

Over and over I said I was talking specifically about the events in the pilot episode. I acknowledged that in the context of the overall series, I'm in complete agreement about Michael Long's car.

I presented some facts, some opinions, some interpretations, and told everyone that I understood that not everyone agrees with me. I don't deserve to be treated like this.l

Mike

[knightimmortal]

[quote=Michael Pajaro] I'm not asking anybody to ignore anything. I just want to make sure that people who share my opinion aren't dismissed as having no common sense. [/quote]

And that wasn't out of line either? I never said that people had no common sense, I just said that common sense as a whole would let you see further than this.

I don't deserve that either. And since you seemingly want to air this in public rather than PM or email, that's fine. You want to make me the bad guy, go right ahead, though one would deserve something just a little better from somebody who is supposedly older.

You suddenly change it to only in the pilot, not the whole picture. The question that was raised was about was KITT put in Michael Long's car. Not was KITT put in Michael Long's car, but you proclaimed that it was suddenly only appliable to the pilot. That's not fair, either. You first stated that you didn't have the strength for the debate, but then come right in and push that nobody else's view has any merit. So honestly, I don't think any of us deserve that.

KI

[Benjamin Knight]

KR uses the same acters over and over I have noticed, alot of the chicks where really the same actor. And some of the bad guys too! ie: The bad guy in Knight Moves is the same as the guy in "Return to Cazdi" or something, the guy on the boart, was the same as the guy who started the attacks on the trucks in Knight Movies...

[Michael Pajaro]

Three points:
1.

You suddenly change it to only in the pilot

This thread started out about the pilot. ColeGrad hasn't even seen the KARR episodes, and he was talking about Michael Long's car IN THE PILOT EPISODE. I disagreed with with him by saying "When I see the pilot..." From the very beginning, I was speaking about the pilot episode. You may have wanted to expand the topic to include the entire series, which is fine, but that wasn't what I was talking about. I did not change suddenly. And when I did mention other episodes, I completely agreed with you.

2.

You first stated that you didn't have the strength for the debate...

What I said was "I don't have the strength NOW". I knew this was a complicated issue and didn't feel like starting it up at the time. So instead, several other people carried the topic for a while. Then, five and half hours later, after I went home, ate, relaxed for a while, I joined back in. I shouldn't be criticized for that.

3.

You...come right in and push that nobody else's view has any merit.

My own quotes:
"Not everyone interprets it the same way I do."
"My interpretation of the episode is not the only interpretation"
"I fully accept that in later episodes it's pretty clear that Michael Long's car is NOT KITT"
"I admit it is a little vague in the actual episode"

How can you possibly claim that I think "that nobody else's view has any merit"? I'm bending over backward to acknowledge that there are different opinions.


I enjoy debating confusing or controversial subjects about the show, so long as we stay focused on the issues themselves. But sarcastic comments about letting me have my glory? That's not a healthy debate.

Mike

[knightimmortal]

Sorry, Mike.

I forgot that when it comes to you, I can't say anything, because you are automatically going to get bent out of shape for it, and twist it against me. I can claim it, because as a whole, you make those comments, but then come forth with forceful statements on your behalf right afterwards. I take the whole context of the issue, not just little bits.

So once again, I am sorry to have commented and offended you, even after you offended me. I am sorry.

KI

[Knicks4973]

I was thinking, in real life we know why KARR was built in the body of a trans am. So to be KITT's evil twin.

In the world of KR, however, Wilton Knight was an old man. Why would he build a car in the form of a trans am? Granted, he was building a car for Ken Franklyn and then Michael Long to drive.

What I don't think is explained, is when was Ken Franklyn employeed by FLAG? If it was before KARR, then maybe KARR was built for Michael then. If they knew all about him, they knew he drove a trans am. So KARR was then created in that image. After KARR was put into storage, they started on KITT. They could have used Michael's car to finish him after Michael was shot. Remember, we don't know how long Michael was recovering before his bandages were taken off. If I'm correct, he was shot in August, but after that it seems to be a mystery.

So it is possible for Michael's car to be in fact KITT. I very well could be wrong, but with some of KI's explanations, I think my current explanation could be valid.

[Michael Pajaro]

I've tried to explain myself here, but to be perfectly honest I don't understand what I did or said that was so offensive as to warrant the past few messages. I don't see where it supposedly went from being a disagreement about an episode to being a personal attack.

Mike

[knightimmortal]

Guess you won't, either, even after I explained it.

KI

[knightman]

sorry guys, hope i didnt start anything..

[Michael Pajaro]

You didn't start anything at all knightman, except for a perfectly legitimate topic about the doctor. Threads can stray around; sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, but it's nothing you need to feel sorry for.

Going back to your initial question, one thing that I think is ironic about Richard Anderson being in the pilot is that Knight Rider in many ways is a retelling of The Six Million Dollar Man. Many of the character types and plot set-ups are very similar between the two series.

Mike

[knightimmortal]

Exactly, it is nobody's fault what gets started but our own, that is one of the things that happens in a community.

Now, here is another interesting little tidbit. It's sort of funny that in the pilot, the Doctor was Dr. Miles, and Devon was 'Devon Shire'. How things get rather strange in some retellings.

KI

[Dome]

Read the whole thread Dome, Richard Anderson is not the father of Richard Dean Anderson.

And I believe MacGyver's (v no w in at least the american spelling) first name is Angus?

I read it, but as I mention it I am not an English speaking person. I have to understand all that stuff with my school English, and believe me, I had to do easier things in my life

Thanks for the answer,

Angus, what an awful name

[JL]

...Devon was 'Devon Shire'.

As tongue-in-cheek and silly as Knight Rider could get, I don't know that I could have ever taken it seriously if Michael's boss was named Devon Shire. Makes you glad that the writers frequently see the wisdom of changing certain elements so the audience doesn't laugh their butts off at the wrong thing.

[ColeGrad01]

I guess Mike figured it out. Knight Rider probably is retelling the Six Million Dollar Man only the main character is still human. I noticed the other day when reseeing the pilot episode that Michael Long looks like ten years younger than he does when he's Michael Knight. Think of all the things Michael Knight goes through, I almost don't see that as the same guy. I feel almost like instead of it being a man waking up with a face that isn't truly his, it's more like removing the brain from an old body and planting it in a new one. Therefore when the new body is completely functioning with the implanted brain, it wakes up with all the original person's memories. I know that's not what it was. Michael Long was given plastic surgery to look exactly like Wilton's evil son. But to be a good version. It just seems that way cause Michael Long looked so young, and David Hasselhoff's face looks more manly than Larry Anderson's. The guy you see throughout the series going through all the things he does is the same guy as that young looking dude at the casino. The last season, Michael starts to seem like he actually is Michael Knight. Only the first & second it feels like he has had to become someone he is really not.

[themarvelous3]

unfortunately, by the second season KITT wasnt even a Trans Am anymore. in fact, he wasnt even a Pontiac or GM car. the writers were asked by GM to STOP referring to the car as a Trans Am (which they did..may have been the third season however) due to an un-controllable amount of phone calls to the GM company asking when the "KITT" car was going to be available for purchase.

[Michael Pajaro]

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

Just because they started referring to the car as a black t-top doesn't mean it wasn't still a Trans Am.

[JL]

unfortunately, by the second season KITT wasnt even a Trans Am anymore. in fact, he wasnt even a Pontiac or GM car. the writers were asked by GM to STOP referring to the car as a Trans Am (which they did..may have been the third season however) due to an un-controllable amount of phone calls to the GM company asking when the "KITT" car was going to be available for purchase.

IIRC, it stopped after the first season, and maybe even partway through. Granted, it's been a long time since I've seen most of the episodes other than those I taped while KR was being run on WGN a few years back, but the only time I remember KITT being referred to as a Trans Am by name is when KITT says in "Trust Doesn't Rust" that KARR is going to give T/A a bad reputation. I'm sure there's a couple other occurrences, though.

[Karl Siniak]

Sorry to go back to this, but it is the first time I have seen this topic.

Going back to the Kitt being Michael's car saga, to me if it is the case that they used Michael Long's car, then surely KITT wouldnt be it, KARR would be Michael Long's car, as he was created first.

I agree in the belief that when following Michael Long and noticing his tastes, that Wilton decided to use a Pontiac Trans-Am, but also in the initial deisgn of Kitt, i dont believe he has any particular car in mind. Those pictures on the wall, like blue prints etc, show a car, but it isnt a TA, but surely they must be for Kitt, as there wasnt another vehicle at the Foundation.

[Michael Pajaro]

I'll buy into the idea that they didn't have any particular car in mind at first... If Michael could install KITT into his old Chevy in Knight Rider 2000 (seemingly by himself), I'm sure a team of Foundation Engineers could put KITT into just about any car they came across.

(Not that I consider KR2000 canon for the original series.)