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Re: Why did we lose Knight Rider?????

Post by ltaz103 » Tue May 19, 2009 7:36 pm

I watched every episode and even got people that worked with me into it. So much so that when I wrote the schedule for the week I had to give some of us off every Wednesday.
I took the show for what it was... Fun, escapism. Not every thing has to be based on reality.
It was a show that I watched alone, with my girlfriend, or with my sons, and talked about the next morning.

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Post by knight rider uk » Tue May 19, 2009 9:26 pm

one man wasent given much of a chance to make a difference- :cry:
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Re: Why did we lose Knight Rider?????

Post by rucode4 » Tue May 19, 2009 9:36 pm

I say we need answers!!!! At least address the united team of Knight Rider!!!! Those sons.... really need to speak up.. I mean we should sent a good amount of emails! Its a sad day... about as sad as when Howard Stern left Radio..

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Re: Why did we lose Knight Rider?????

Post by NN11 » Tue May 19, 2009 9:45 pm

a fan wrote this in imdb i can totaly agree with what she says

First and foremost it is an incredible insult to the original. Gone are the morals, charm, wit and fantastical theme tune. Instead we get out "hero" in bed with two-waifs at the SAME time. Gratuitous violence like porn references are totally inappropriate for a younger audience. I just watched the first episode (not the pilot) tonight and could not believe what I heard. Michael had to think of a new surname and suggested his father's (Long) and another character said it sounded like a porn name. Then walked away saying he watched lots of porn. What??? You NEVER got dialogue remotely as distasteful as that in the original. What a sad state television is in when a show such as KR resorts to using lines like that. The "banter" between Michael and KITT is cringe-worthy. The old MK and KITT had chemistry and that was down to William Daniels' putting a soul into an otherwise inanimate object. Kilmer lacks personality and vocal presence. I also agree with another poster in that KI2T was a lot more believable. Like his turbo boosting (if he had enough speed), ski-mode and micro jamming. KI3T can turbo boost from a standstill, transform into just about anything with parts coming out of thin air and his state-of-the-art computer can be hacked in about half-a-minute. In the original, I seem to remember the bad guys having a much harder time gaining control of KITT's systems.

I would let my five-year-old niece watch any episode from the original, but I would not allow my thirteen-year-old nephew view this immoral mess.

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Re: Why did we lose Knight Rider?????

Post by KnightRiderKR » Tue May 19, 2009 11:11 pm

NN11 wrote:a fan wrote this in imdb i can totaly agree with what she says

First and foremost it is an incredible insult to the original. Gone are the morals, charm, wit and fantastical theme tune. Instead we get out "hero" in bed with two-waifs at the SAME time. Gratuitous violence like porn references are totally inappropriate for a younger audience. I just watched the first episode (not the pilot) tonight and could not believe what I heard. Michael had to think of a new surname and suggested his father's (Long) and another character said it sounded like a porn name. Then walked away saying he watched lots of porn. What??? You NEVER got dialogue remotely as distasteful as that in the original. What a sad state television is in when a show such as KR resorts to using lines like that. The "banter" between Michael and KITT is cringe-worthy. The old MK and KITT had chemistry and that was down to William Daniels' putting a soul into an otherwise inanimate object. Kilmer lacks personality and vocal presence. I also agree with another poster in that KI2T was a lot more believable. Like his turbo boosting (if he had enough speed), ski-mode and micro jamming. KI3T can turbo boost from a standstill, transform into just about anything with parts coming out of thin air and his state-of-the-art computer can be hacked in about half-a-minute. In the original, I seem to remember the bad guys having a much harder time gaining control of KITT's systems.

I would let my five-year-old niece watch any episode from the original, but I would not allow my thirteen-year-old nephew view this immoral mess.



I agree with that as well, it's not just television that's going to hell it's America too. All the creepy freaks want to drag America down like they did with Europe. They are like the Borg from Star Trek, they want to "Assimilate" the country. They start by infiltrating television and brainwashing viewers and when that's complete they job gets ALOT easier. No I'm not kidding or crazy, just look at the state of things for yourself.

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Post by JimmyPSHayes » Tue May 19, 2009 11:14 pm

I think it was a number of things. Yes, GST had something to do with it-if he hated the pilot so much, why take on the job of being a show runner? And yes, NBC had plenty to do with it, but I can't blame the fans either. If we'd have had the luxury of the "$5 footlong" campaign that Chuck had, the show might still be on, but I don't imagine that everyone who wanted to see the show continue could afford to go out and buy a Ford Mustang on the same day. :(
-I'm all for "letting it go" but, I'm at least gonna give it one last try and write to NBCU telling them that the show has a HUGE fanbase and suggesting that they move it to Sc Fi.After all, they just lost their "cash cow"in BSG and I'm sure they wouldn't think twice about having Knight Rider on their network.

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Post by walter h. anderson » Tue May 19, 2009 11:41 pm

So what is the OFFICIAL word? Are we without KR08?
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Post by knightprobe89 » Tue May 19, 2009 11:44 pm

the 2 hour pilot was pretty good, the series was horrible thanks to gary scott thompson trying to make it like fast and furious with the ugly attack mode, also the car didn't have any cool gadgets like the original, and didn't have a cool steering wheel like the original and the pilot!
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Post by Knight007 » Wed May 20, 2009 1:21 am

NN11 wrote:a fan wrote this in imdb i can totaly agree with what she says

First and foremost it is an incredible insult to the original. Gone are the morals, charm, wit and fantastical theme tune. Instead we get out "hero" in bed with two-waifs at the SAME time. Gratuitous violence like porn references are totally inappropriate for a younger audience. I just watched the first episode (not the pilot) tonight and could not believe what I heard. Michael had to think of a new surname and suggested his father's (Long) and another character said it sounded like a porn name. Then walked away saying he watched lots of porn. What??? You NEVER got dialogue remotely as distasteful as that in the original. What a sad state television is in when a show such as KR resorts to using lines like that. The "banter" between Michael and KITT is cringe-worthy. The old MK and KITT had chemistry and that was down to William Daniels' putting a soul into an otherwise inanimate object. Kilmer lacks personality and vocal presence. I also agree with another poster in that KI2T was a lot more believable. Like his turbo boosting (if he had enough speed), ski-mode and micro jamming. KI3T can turbo boost from a standstill, transform into just about anything with parts coming out of thin air and his state-of-the-art computer can be hacked in about half-a-minute. In the original, I seem to remember the bad guys having a much harder time gaining control of KITT's systems.

I would let my five-year-old niece watch any episode from the original, but I would not allow my thirteen-year-old nephew view this immoral mess.


I agree. this is an important point. the moral side is very important. alot of people didnt like what happened in the show. remeber the part where Sarah was sad after her father's death and then we get to see her in bed with Mike "doing it"!!!!!!???? that raised alot of critics.
Kilmer's voice was good, but it didnt have the human side as KI2T did.Image :kitt:

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Post by hectorson3 » Wed May 20, 2009 2:24 am

In my opinion, Glen Larson should've been more involved with Knight Rider 08, true he was an Exec to the show, but I think that GST kinda tried to take over Larson's seat. Plus they tried to do somethings like in the original series, but they made a few things act like it hasn't been done before i.e. KITT V. KARR. They acted as though that it was never done before.They should have referanced more of KITT 2000 instead of all on KITT 3000 like he was there before, true Dr. Greiman mentioned KITT 2000 in the movie, but that was it.

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Post by DevonStyles » Wed May 20, 2009 4:52 am

To think you guys said I was crazy when the I told you the show was cancelled Months ago..... Hate to say it but I told ya so...

So many missed opportunities with this show.
They could have really made some awesome episodes with what they had but never did.
Never truly showed what the car could do
Non- existent real time high octane action.
Bad writing
Bad acting
Transformations killed the show
They turned KR into a drama
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Post by Matthew » Wed May 20, 2009 5:33 am

DevonStyles wrote:To think you guys said I was crazy when the I told you the show was cancelled Months ago..... Hate to say it but I told ya so...

There's no need to be a braggadocios jackass Mr. Styles!

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Post by Knight007 » Wed May 20, 2009 5:42 am

Matthew wrote:
DevonStyles wrote:To think you guys said I was crazy when the I told you the show was cancelled Months ago..... Hate to say it but I told ya so...

There's no need to be a braggadocios jackass Mr. Styles!

Matt

Well said, thank you for that. We are here to think and discuss what happened and why we lost our dream and show. not to make fun out of it and start meking un-nedeed comments. All of us in KRO have very sad feeling now. so please no more jokes Image :kitt:

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Post by KnightRiderKR » Wed May 20, 2009 8:25 am

After 1999, car shows have ZERO life expectancy.

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Post by lknight » Wed May 20, 2009 8:36 am

Knight007 wrote:
Matthew wrote:
DevonStyles wrote:To think you guys said I was crazy when the I told you the show was cancelled Months ago..... Hate to say it but I told ya so...

There's no need to be a braggadocios jackass Mr. Styles!

Matt

Well said, thank you for that. We are here to think and discuss what happened and why we lost our dream and show. not to make fun out of it and start meking un-nedeed comments. All of us in KRO have very sad feeling now. so please no more jokes Image :kitt:



I agree and i also don't think that the transformations killed the show i think they improved it.

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Post by welshKITT » Wed May 20, 2009 11:27 am

NN11 wrote:a fan wrote this in imdb i can totaly agree with what she says

First and foremost it is an incredible insult to the original. Gone are the morals, charm, wit and fantastical theme tune. Instead we get out "hero" in bed with two-waifs at the SAME time. Gratuitous violence like porn references are totally inappropriate for a younger audience. I just watched the first episode (not the pilot) tonight and could not believe what I heard. Michael had to think of a new surname and suggested his father's (Long) and another character said it sounded like a porn name. Then walked away saying he watched lots of porn. What??? You NEVER got dialogue remotely as distasteful as that in the original. What a sad state television is in when a show such as KR resorts to using lines like that. The "banter" between Michael and KITT is cringe-worthy. The old MK and KITT had chemistry and that was down to William Daniels' putting a soul into an otherwise inanimate object. Kilmer lacks personality and vocal presence. I also agree with another poster in that KI2T was a lot more believable. Like his turbo boosting (if he had enough speed), ski-mode and micro jamming. KI3T can turbo boost from a standstill, transform into just about anything with parts coming out of thin air and his state-of-the-art computer can be hacked in about half-a-minute. In the original, I seem to remember the bad guys having a much harder time gaining control of KITT's systems.

I would let my five-year-old niece watch any episode from the original, but I would not allow my thirteen-year-old nephew view this immoral mess.


Even though everyone is entitled to their opinion and that I respect it seems to me that this person is someone who is really religious and hates anything to do with sex or what many people call it sexual freedom. The show was not the only show that airs in the US in that time slot that makes references and jokes about porn, one show for example is How I Met your Mother which makes many porn jokes, even The Simpsons does that as well. I will hate to break the news to this person but religion didn't invent morals, it has it's own version of it. Although the pilot makes a assumption that the FBI agent is either gay or bisexual I wonder how that woman would react to that if she sees it. TV shows have viewing ratings on the top of the screen and on occassion a warning goes out before that so that should at least be a clue on what the contents of the episode is like before it airs, what ever happened to watch a TV show first or movie first before you show children?
I remember similar things being said about the first Transformers movie with the masterbating joke. If people really moaned about that and things to do with sex then maybe there should have been two versions of each episode, one suitable for the kids while the other for adults and both versions to be made available on DVD and Blu-Ray. When Buffy The Vampire Slayer was on in the UK, the BBC aired two versions of each episode, one during the early evening with most of the violence, swearing and sex stuff cut out and aired the uncut version at night eitehr on the same day or the day after.

KnightRiderKR wrote:I agree with that as well, it's not just television that's going to hell it's America too. All the creepy freaks want to drag America down like they did with Europe. They are like the Borg from Star Trek, they want to "Assimilate" the country. They start by infiltrating television and brainwashing viewers and when that's complete they job gets ALOT easier. No I'm not kidding or crazy, just look at the state of things for yourself.


Technically the Borg were a metaphor for all the religious empires throughout recorded history, as they spread they forced the countries they invaded to either convert or die and they incorporate of the past cultures into their beliefs and also wiping out any references to previous cultures which reflected on Gene Roddenberry's beliefs. He was an Humanist who believed that religion is one of the main causes of the world's ills. Even though I wouldn't show KR08 my nephew or neices it either til they are old enough to understand it (I told that to my sister and brother in law about the new show). I will for one hate if religious organisations run the TV industry, simply cause many of the organisations are religious fundmentalist groups that always put non-beleivers (whether the non-beleivers are of a different religion or people who have no religious beliefs) along with anything that they hate in a very negative light. If they run TV then they will make sure that all non-beleivers are made as the villians, anything that questions their beliefs are banned from being aired (like programs about evolution for example), always make the small bad side of things they are against alot bigger then they really are even if there is nothing wrong or bad with it/them and so on. It will be like a TV dictatorship.

There is a few things that I don't like about some of the TV shows that I watch, I can't stand the religious stuff in Terminator The Sarah Connor Chronicles, I can't stand the smoking or drug taking n other TV shows but rather then moan about it I ignore it. Those things only take up a few minutes of an episode, of a show that is 20 minutes to 40 minutes, that's not alot of time and I don't let those things ruin my enjoyment of a show that I like. If I can do that then I don't see why anyone else can't.

Important note: Before people get the wrong idea, even though I'm an Atheist Humanist I am not anti-religious (there is a difference). I respect religion since we live in a multi belief society and have nothing against it at all apart from the occasional groups trying to take over everything, even though I don't agree with their beliefs and views I respect then as long as they respect other people's beliefs including my own then we will get along fine. I am the type of person that never takes sides, I always see both sides of the arguement first before I make my own opinion. I put this in bold for it to stand out.

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Re: Why did we lose Knight Rider?????

Post by welshKITT » Wed May 20, 2009 11:46 am

I couldn't add to my last post in time so just to let you guys know. I am not attacking anyone's beliefs at all, I'm simply explaining the other side of opinions and contents of the shows. If I have offended anyone then I apologise.

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Post by JJSoCrazy » Wed May 20, 2009 11:53 am

My reason into why we lost KR is because of several facts:

- Where is the connection to the original show and explanations that GST promised? There was no explanation of what happened to all the past characters, not even one! and FLAG had no explanation either.
- MK Sr. should of had an appearance on the show towards the end in a big two parter in a way as GST stated pass the torch and explain some things that happened in the last 25 years or so.
- Original KITT, no mention no idea what the hell happened with him.
- Nothing from the pilot was carried over, makes no damn sense whatsoever!

I would like people to watch the video at Comic Con when GST was trying to promise us what he is going to do and I feel the show wasn't as what I expected it would be.

http://www.nbc.com/Knight_Rider/video/c ... er/283774/

I feel he tried to make this show like Transformers, Bourne, and all these other big hit movies and resemble it in KR. But they should of been more original and done the right thing. I wish this show connected more to the original because it could of have been something different, who knows maybe the show would of attracted more people, duh its Knight Rider people want to know what the hell happened and how it is connected! Everyone I would speak with about the show always asked "When is DH coming on?"

I would watch this show every week and pray for something to connect with the original and I was very patient, and now I am pissed off and I really have given up on GST and others. The pilot was the best one and I wish they moved the story from there because it actually felt like KR and connected very well with the original, why couldn't they branch off from there and make something more to the original?!Oh wait I know because NBC believed GST into making this show a ripoff of all other big hollywood movies and TV shows, that its!

NBC could of had SOOOOOO many promos on the original KITT and MK returning with cool tag lines and such, so many people would of fell into that and watched it!

Guess I am looking forward to the movie then like I was in the beginning.

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Post by Crumbling Down » Wed May 20, 2009 12:58 pm

Nbc and there lack of advertising. They didn't waste 2 cents on advertising for the show ever since it first aired. They needed commercials and advertisements in order to suck in the viewers and draw attention. I quick shot of the original kitt and david would have grabbed lots of attention and probably wouldn't have costs them much at all. But instead tey did little to no advertising.

Obama and his political campaign. Of course this had to be on when the halloween special was to be aired. I mean you don't air some campaign like this on a show that has only been on for a little while. They could have aired it on other channels. It's not necessary to have the same stinkin thing on 5-10 channels anyway!! Fox did this recently with refusing to air something that was going on and instead aired the show that was supposed to have been on. NBC could have easily have done this. Most people not aware of this tuned in, saw Obama and turned it off probably thinking the show was canned already.

The begining of the show. The first couple episodes not counting the pilot were sex and private parts every 2 seconds. I understand that the original had this but the original looks like a kids show compared to the stuff they showed in this new show!! I am sure some of the little kids and teenagers were all excited about seeing this stuff but for most grown up people it is more annoying than anything. sarah and mike having sex together right after her dad died?!?! I mean come on. Mike in the original never made it with Bonnie or April, why do we need this? Sarah:"oh mike I am so sad my dad just died" (cut to a scene of them in a bed getting it on) What are they thinking about this? That is the last thing anyone would do in that situation. Too much involvement with billy sarah and zoe. I understand that they did start to change that towards the end but by then most people had already quite watching due to the extreme sex scenes and mike riding around in kit with the whole crew going after terrorists left and right.

Not only did NBC not advertise but they cut episodes off the end. Come on what were they thinking? The blatant Ford logos and transformations every minute they were not showing some type of sex scene. Zoe... I mean come on we already have one man butt kicking female on the show(sarah) we don't need another. She had the maturity of a giddy teen after viewing their first playboy. The whole strong female thing is being way over done anyways. I wanted sarah to be a strong women but not go around punching random guys for ticking her off. Bonnie and April were both stong in their own way but were still vunerable like Sarah should have been. The way Sarah and zoe acted I would have expected them to be over in iraq with mike.

Finally all the negative comments that were made while the show was on air. Lots of the people that gave the show a chance got frusterated after the first few episodes and joined sides with the haters and were making there opinions well known. Unfortunetely the show was really showing great signs of improvement towards the end but the bridge was already crossed by then.

The result: Now us fans are upset and feel betrayed, saddened and disappointed due to the cancelation of our show. I must say I have no hope for the show ever to get back on the tv screen atleast anytime soon. The only thing we have to look forward to is the big screen movie. I had someone stop me the other week and I was wearing my KR shirt with a pic of DH and kitt and they asked how I could watch that show. They of course were referring to the new show and never heard of the original and I told them the shirt was for the original. That just goes to show what GST, NBC, and Obama have done for our once great show. I have a feeling that won't be the last time I catch heck for wearing a KR shirt. Thanks a lot people for ruining the legacy of KR and possibly even the future of KR if there is one. I have boycotted watching NBC and Sci-fi since they are both basically NBC. There is shows I like on both channels but I am so furious with them I cannot watch them anymore. Not only has NBC and GST ruined KR they ruined my ability to watch other shows I like now! I think I will now barricade myself in my house for a few weeks with a couple bottles of sailor jerrys and watch back to back episodes of the original KR.
Booonnnnnzzzzaaaaaiii!!!!!!!! As michael turbo boosts to score the extra point. His face is so funny when he yells this and when he hits turbo boost his eyes get huge and he flies back into the seat

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Post by CJaguar442 » Wed May 20, 2009 1:08 pm

Crumbling Down wrote:Nbc and there lack of advertising. They didn't waste 2 cents on advertising for the show ever since it first aired. They needed commercials and advertisements in order to suck in the viewers and draw attention. I quick shot of the original kitt and david would have grabbed lots of attention and probably wouldn't have costs them much at all. But instead tey did little to no advertising.

Obama and his political campaign. Of course this had to be on when the halloween special was to be aired. I mean you don't air some campaign like this on a show that has only been on for a little while. They could have aired it on other channels. It's not necessary to have the same stinkin thing on 5-10 channels anyway!! Fox did this recently with refusing to air something that was going on and instead aired the show that was supposed to have been on. NBC could have easily have done this. Most people not aware of this tuned in, saw Obama and turned it off probably thinking the show was canned already.

The begining of the show. The first couple episodes not counting the pilot were sex and private parts every 2 seconds. I understand that the original had this but the original looks like a kids show compared to the stuff they showed in this new show!! I am sure some of the little kids and teenagers were all excited about seeing this stuff but for most grown up people it is more annoying than anything. sarah and mike having sex together right after her dad died?!?! I mean come on. Mike in the original never made it with Bonnie or April, why do we need this? Sarah:"oh mike I am so sad my dad just died" (cut to a scene of them in a bed getting it on) What are they thinking about this? That is the last thing anyone would do in that situation. Too much involvement with billy sarah and zoe. I understand that they did start to change that towards the end but by then most people had already quite watching due to the extreme sex scenes and mike riding around in kit with the whole crew going after terrorists left and right.

Not only did NBC not advertise but they cut episodes off the end. Come on what were they thinking? The blatant Ford logos and transformations every minute they were not showing some type of sex scene.

Finally all the negative comments that were made while the show was on air. Lots of the people that gave the show a chance got frusterated after the first few episodes and joined sides with the haters and were making there opinions well known. Unfortunetely the show was really showing great signs of improvement towards the end but the bridge was already crossed by then.

The result: Now us fans are upset and feel betrayed, saddened and disappointed due to the cancelation of our show. I must say I have no hope for the show ever to get back on the tv screen atleast anytime soon. The only thing we have to look forward to is the big screen movie. I had someone stop me the other week and I was wearing my KR shirt with a pic of DH and kitt and they asked how I could watch that show. They of course were referring to the new show and never heard of the original and I told them the shirt was for the original. That just goes to show what GST, NBC, and Obama have done for our once great show. I have a feeling that won't be the last time I catch heck for wearing a KR shirt. Thanks a lot people for ruining the legacy of KR and possibly even the future of KR if there is one. I have boycotted watching NBC and Sci-fi since they are both basically NBC. There is shows I like on both channels but I am so furious with them I cannot watch them anymore. Not only has NBC and GST ruined KR they ruined my ability to watch other shows I like now! I think I will now barricade myself in my house for a few weeks with a couple bottles of sailor jerrys and watch back to back episodes of the original KR.


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Re: Why did we lose Knight Rider?????

Post by knightendo77 » Wed May 20, 2009 1:35 pm

Victor Kros wrote:I'm just going to say that the audience or fandom who supported this series is NOT to blame. You all did everything in your power to show NBCU that you care. You justified their mistakes, you tried to understand their reasoning for making so many changes, you sent letters, you hung in there through reboot after reboot and for that gesture alone, you have nothing as fans to be ashamed of.

The fans for or against this "new vision" didn't fail to support the property of Knight Rider, NBCU did because back then they didn't "get it" and apparently they still do not today. For better or worse, you fans choose to carry a torch to keep the spirit of Knight Rider alive despite how it may evolve from one incarnation to the next.

You do what people with passion are supposed to do...you chose to care.

Don't ever let anyone else tell you different.

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That's a bit harsh. I know you're not a great fan of NBC because of Glen and the rights thing, but I feel NBC did quite a bit of good.

Come on people, they spent millions on advertising at the beginning, but yeah they should've carried on with it. But from a business-sense, when the millions you've invested gets panned and the ratings aren't what you wanted you can't blame them for saving money by not advertising. Their changes shouldn't be criticised either, as GST has admitted it wasn't him that wanted it back like the original, it was NBC. They made some minor changes throughout because they realised GST wasn't doing what the audience wanted... and their changes culminated in THEIR reboot.

I agree that they shouldn't have given it to GST to begin with, that they lacked advertising after the first three or four and that they've cancelled it prematurely. But if we attack the people who own the rights they won't think twice about ignoring it completely and forever.

We need to convince them that their ideas that they had towards the end were the right thing. They made the right choice to reboot it and bring it back in line with the original more. Maybe it'll go to Sci-Fi, it's breaking records for them in the UK and doing extremely well elsewhere in Europe. Didnt do BSG and SG1 any harm being on that channel!

Anyway, if only GST hadn't been given it! We wouldn't be in a place now where even if it did come back it's got the wrong cast! At least Mike and Sarah are back to being the kind of characters they were in the pilot. But it should be them, with Charles as the Devon-type character and Carrie as the FBI go-between. Or Charles as a Wilton-type figure and Carrie as Devon. It SO could've worked!!!
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Re: Why did we lose Knight Rider?????

Post by Solid Snake » Wed May 20, 2009 1:45 pm

Matthew wrote:
DevonStyles wrote:To think you guys said I was crazy when the I told you the show was cancelled Months ago..... Hate to say it but I told ya so...

There's no need to be a braggadocios jackass Mr. Styles!

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I LOL'ed... :lol: . Sounds like a line Devon would say to a criminal :D .
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Re: Why did we lose Knight Rider?????

Post by Lost Knight » Wed May 20, 2009 2:17 pm

I think a lot of people are missing the real cause for the series of unfortunate events that led to the show's cancellation. The backdoor pilot aired just before the Writers Strike went into effect, thus leaving no time to tweak anything. While ratings were excellent for the backdoor pilot, not a lot of people actually liked it. So the Writers Strike basically prevented any time to correct mistakes, lack of action or script issues. This in turn ultimately compelled NBC to cancel Gary Scott Thompson's Las Vegas and move him onto helming the new series. Ultimately it proved to be a tragic mistake on NBC's part by hiring the wrong man for the job, who also had it hammered into his head to make the series as different from the backdoor pilot as possible.

So while I say the show's cancellation is Gary Scott Thompson's fault, it's true, but the root cause for the events the show found itself in was the Writers Strike and NBC's decision to hire him. Had there been no strike and David Andron allowed time to make changes to his script, NBC and audiences might have been more pleased with the final result and he possibly could've asked to have been Showrunner. The show may have ended up retaining the more down-to-Earth tone that the backdoor pilot had instead of being too over-the-top.
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Re: Why did we lose Knight Rider?????

Post by FuzzieDice » Wed May 20, 2009 2:57 pm

The reason the show is not in the fall line-up (and NBC never said it was "cancelled" or even said anything about KR at all) is because NBC wanted to fit in some new shows. So they bumped others. Who knows, maybe one or more of the new shows might fail and they might bring back KR. From the sound of things, nothing seems set in stone completely right now. It's still a wait-and-see deal.

And I don't think it had anything to do with sex, violence, kids, cars, or what went on in the shows. KR was just like a lot of shows out there these days, and even better in most ways.

It all has to do with NBC determining what they want to show in their programming and what they don't. And while it's all on NBC, it's not really their fault either. After all, they want to get some good ratings, keep their advertisers and viewers, and make money. They are a business.

It's like any goods. You could like a brand of candy bar and if nobody else is buying that brand then the store that sells it will stop carrying it because they don't make any money on it, yet have to buy/stock it. So instead of paying actors/crew and not getting much out of a show they try other things.

It might work to our advantage if the other things tried aren't going over well and it might bring back the show. If not, well, I'm moving on anyway. I mean, I enjoy the show and all that. But not everything can last forever. Star Trek didn't (well, they DO have a new movie which I'd like to see, but I don't think they have any new series'), CHiPs didn't. M*A*S*H didn't. Three's Company didn't. Golden Girls didn't. Dukes of Hazzard didn't (But they did have a movie out recent as did CHiPs awhile back). Many shows came and went. It's just what happens after awhile.

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Re: Why did we lose Knight Rider?????

Post by Stealthwalker » Wed May 20, 2009 3:21 pm

Victor Kros wrote:I'm just going to say that the audience or fandom who supported this series is NOT to blame. You all did everything in your power to show NBCU that you care. You justified their mistakes, you tried to understand their reasoning for making so many changes, you sent letters, you hung in there through reboot after reboot and for that gesture alone, you have nothing as fans to be ashamed of.

The fans for or against this "new vision" didn't fail to support the property of Knight Rider, NBCU did because back then they didn't "get it" and apparently they still do not today. For better or worse, you fans choose to carry a torch to keep the spirit of Knight Rider alive despite how it may evolve from one incarnation to the next.

You do what people with passion are supposed to do...you chose to care.

Don't ever let anyone else tell you different.

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I think that you summed everything up quite nicely :good:
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