Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

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Re: Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

Postby WIBoomer1 » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:41 pm

Not trying to make this into a Corvette forum, but there's a good history of what Corvette's are made of...

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/ ... adid=19717

it makes it sound like it is a newer version of fiberglass, not Polyurethane...

now if we could only get a thread of what KITTs are made of...sugar, spice, and 99.99% kick ass?

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Re: Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

Postby PHOENIXZERO » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:34 pm

I was watching something the other day on I think the Discovery Channel where this guy followed a Corvette being built. IIRC, the body is fiberglass and only the bumper and fender are carbon fiber.
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Re: Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

Postby n1elkyfan » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:51 pm

I've actually heald the parts in my hands as I was bolting them on and off and the bumpers are made of Polyurethane. The rest of the car is made of fiberglass. Even the floor. And it makes one big mess when one is rearended.

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Re: Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

Postby adamtrek » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:08 am

That's just another reason if you own a Vette that you should always be going faster than the car behind you. :twisted:
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Re: Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

Postby Samborghini » Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:43 pm

K.A.R.R.'s return is an interesting point but let's go back to the beginning, last time we saw K.A.R.R. (not counting the 2 video games) we saw him destroyed with only his modulator flickering, now if he is in the new Knight Rider K.A.R.R. will either be the same computer OR a completely new AI. If K.A.R.R. is the original and the story that K.I.T.T. gets stolen is true, the question is would K.A.R.R. WANT to help recover K.I.T.T.? After all the Foundation did just leave him, whereas if it's a new K.A.R.R. then surely the Foundation wouldn't have made the same mistake again?
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Re: Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

Postby WIBoomer1 » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:09 pm

Samborghini wrote: the question is would K.A.R.R. WANT to help recover K.I.T.T.?


OK, let's look at this logically...there would be no K3000 without the K2000, and hence, no K2000 without the Knight Automated Roving Robot.

There would not be another KARR in between the K2000 and K3000...a K2500? isn't that a truck? It'd be like calling another ship the Titanic...bad juju my friend.

So it's the old 1982ish KARR CPU that was left for garbage pulsing at the end of KITT vs. KARR, that will be put into the K3000 shell...guaranteed.

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Re: Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

Postby Knight-Armen » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:43 am

So it's the old 1982ish KARR CPU that was left for garbage pulsing at the end of KITT vs. KARR, that will be put into the K3000 shell...guaranteed.


How do you know this for sure? If they're going to install the old processor, Karr would have to face some real hard competition. In other words Karr's processor would be like an old Intel Pentium 1 against my Intel Core 2 Quad (Q6600)! He would stand no chance against Ki3t!
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Re: Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

Postby Jay » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:50 am

Oh, he would. Don't forget that the original KITT outsourced a lot of calculations and operations to the Knight 2000's onboard computer - KARR could also have some extra upgrades for that extra processing power.

What matters with the AI is not just the software - you can't just upload KARR into a random PC, it's also the CPU architecture. It's not one core and some RAM, it's something much more complex. That's why, even after all this time, something like the KARR CPU is still quite valuable, and with extra additions could be a match for the new KITT.
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Re: Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

Postby pheonix_knight » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:21 am

Knight-Armen wrote:How do you know this for sure? If they're going to install the old processor, Karr would have to face some real hard competition. In other words Karr's processor would be like an old Intel Pentium 1 against my Intel Core 2 Quad (Q6600)! He would stand no chance against Ki3t!


KARR is NOT going head to head with Ki3t, or at least not in the way we expect. KARR is being installed in Ki3t's mustang body. This storyline looks like being more of an amalgamation of "soul survivor" and the KARR storylines...

KARR wouldnt even be a pentium 1, more like a 286 or something lesser...

QUESTION/NOTE to the VFX team: we see on Ki3t's voice modulator all the blue numbers/letters and general characters which are there to show Ki3t 'processing' several thousand pieces of information per minute. To show the difference in processor power, is this going to be made to look 'less busy when KARR is installed...??'

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Postby PHOENIXZERO » Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:25 pm

Not to mention that it better be a yellowish green. :D
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Postby WIBoomer1 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:43 pm

i posted the majority of this originally in the EP 13 thread, but thought maybe it should go here as well:


There was something interesting on the new Knight Research website from NBC...if you look under Charles' profile, it says that he worked with an Ryan Arrow on the "prototype of the Knight Industries Three Thousand"...

http://www.knightindustriesresearch.com ... bbbfbc1147

in doing some more digging, IMDB shows that Ryan Arrow was played by Jeffrey Pierce, in "Journey to the End of the Knight"...I watched the ep online today, and did not see this character portrayed or Jeffrey Pierce's name in the credits...Please let me know if i missed it by accident.

I thought it was more interesting that it's stated that there was a prototype to KI3T...maybe they are redoing the history to get a modern mustang KARR vs the known KARR CPU...and if so, i will stand corrected.

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Postby JJSoCrazy » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:58 pm

WIBoomer1 wrote:i posted the majority of this originally in the EP 13 thread, but thought maybe it should go here as well:


There was something interesting on the new Knight Research website from NBC...if you look under Charles' profile, it says that he worked with an Ryan Arrow on the "prototype of the Knight Industries Three Thousand"...

http://www.knightindustriesresearch.com ... bbbfbc1147

in doing some more digging, IMDB shows that Ryan Arrow was played by Jeffrey Pierce, in "Journey to the End of the Knight"...I watched the ep online today, and did not see this character portrayed or Jeffrey Pierce's name in the credits...Please let me know if i missed it by accident.

I thought it was more interesting that it's stated that there was a prototype to KI3T...maybe they are redoing the history to get a modern mustang KARR vs the known KARR CPU...and if so, i will stand corrected.
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Ah ha! A prototype KI3T!!!! This is where KARR will come into play now I assume. Kinda like remaking the whole Trust Doesn't Rust thing. This will be very interesting...

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Re: Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

Postby Knight Rider Archive » Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:45 am

WIBoomer1 wrote:There was something interesting on the new Knight Research website from NBC...if you look under Charles' profile, it says that he worked with an Ryan Arrow on the "prototype of the Knight Industries Three Thousand"...

http://www.knightindustriesresearch.com ... bbbfbc1147

in doing some more digging, IMDB shows that Ryan Arrow was played by Jeffrey Pierce, in "Journey to the End of the Knight"...I watched the ep online today, and did not see this character portrayed or Jeffrey Pierce's name in the credits...Please let me know if i missed it by accident.


Ryan Arrow, played by Jeffrey Pierce, will appear in the episode "Knight Fever".

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Re: Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

Postby youbelong » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:17 am

big news karr is back i hope karr killed sarah & zoé in this episode :mrgreen:
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Postby FuzzieDice » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:23 pm

Tonight's episode Knight of the Living Dead reveals that maybe it's KITT's CPU program (and not the essense of who he is) that is going to be installed in KARR. See the Knight of the LIving Dead discussion thread!

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Postby Faithful Car KRO » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:55 pm

youbelong wrote:big news karr is back i hope karr killed sarah & zoé in this episode :mrgreen:


dont you think thats a little too far?
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Re: Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

Postby _K.I.R.R_ » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:54 pm

its a new karr cause the old one was destroyed.
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Postby Samborghini » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:46 am

Hey I think you guys should check out this new Wikipedia entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KARR_(Knight_Rider_2008)
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Postby Stealthwalker » Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:41 pm

I wonder who's going to be doing the voice for "K.A.R.R." this time around?
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Postby Sky_Blue_Civic » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:06 am

Stealthwalker wrote:I wonder who's going to be doing the voice for "K.A.R.R." this time around?

I hope it's Optimus Pri- I mean Peter Cullen! :D
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Postby pheonix_knight » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:53 pm

Why, if this series is a 'continuation' of the 80s' namesake, would they repeat the mistake of the 'self preservation' program???

I hope it is the same KARR AI but i fear as the acronym has now changed slightly (Knight Auto-cybernetic Roving Robot-exoskeleton) that it is going to be a new creation entirely, which brings me back to my original question

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Postby pheonix_knight » Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:00 pm

Stealthwalker wrote:I wonder who's going to be doing the voice for "K.A.R.R." this time around?


In the casting call, theres no mention of KARR (e) so i'm going to guess that as Ki3t is being removed from the mustang and Karr being installed, that Val Kilmer will be doing the job...

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Postby original_cruz » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:53 am

I just caught up with "Knight of the Living Dead" on hulu yesterday, and I gotta say...KARR's schematics make him look like a freaking Metal Gear (a videogame franchise if you're not familiar with the name). Not sure I'm crazy about that given how much I liked the KITT vs KARR premise from the old days. Definitely gonna be a VFX-heavy episode when we see that thing in action. Maybe KR'08's producers should have Michael Bay direct, lol.

KITT is stolen so his dangerous robotic counterpart, KARR, can be re-activated...


Seems to me like KARR from the schematics has been built (based off a Mustang Shelby like KI3T after him), and already did some serious damage (7 people killed so far). Someone here already mentioned that KARR was probably in Iraq, and something went horribly wrong. Mike Traceur could've been there as a soldier taking part in a field-test exercise jointly overseen by the Pentagon and Knight Industries (and possibly Dr. Graiman and Alex Torres as well). It MIGHT be that Mike either observed the exercise, fought alongside KARR in an engagement with Islamic extremists, OR was actually the test pilot of KARR himself (that would have his artificially induced amnesia make far more sense; Mike knew way too much after whatever happened in Iraq, so they reconditioned his mind prior to his discharge). Whatever Mike knew from the incident would be enough for him to go after Alex with a vengence since Dr. Graiman said to Alex early this season (and I'm paraphrasing), "If he remembers, he'll come after you." to which Alex responds, "We just have to make sure he doesn't remember."

To steal KI3T in order to "re-activate KARR" means something happened to KARR back in Iraq that now requires KI3T's files in order to revive him. Maybe KARR was horribly damaged, and whoever has him now needs those files in order to rebuild KARR's memory matrix.

I also do not think this KARR is actually the old KARR we all know and love to hate. Could be roughly based upon the old one. I really do think it's a classic story of history repeating itself through Dr. Graiman in which he believed he could make amends for his mistakes with the original KARR, and do it right the second time. Seriously, you don't get to be as genius and prodigious like the doc is without some kind of fatal character flaw. ;)

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Dr. Graiman told Alex that he believed "KARR is still out there" and wasn't decommissioned. Everything that's happened in the past 7 episodes, including the pilot, tells me there's always been this big conspiracy to get at KI3T and Graiman, and who better than an inside-man like Jack Hurst? And Jack himself may only be the tip of the darker iceberg.

Why remove KI3T's chip? Jack's operative failed in Knight of the Living Dead, so now he's come to do it himself so he can get at those files for the "nefarious purpose" of reviving KARR. I think taking the chip is the primary goal, and KI3T's shell is just an added bonus, or possibly his means of escape from a pissed-off Mike.

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Re: Episode 12: 'Knight to King's Rook' Spoilers

Postby JJSoCrazy » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:30 am

I believe when they state "steal's KITT's chip", they mean that his files/cpu is removed and put into KARR most likely, not the body of KI3T. Because think about it how else will they be able to go after KARR if they don't have the KI3T shell, unless they bring back the KI2T and MK Sr.??????

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