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[PHOENIXZERO]

Agreed, the plane thing was corny as hell.... Gave me a Team Knight Rider flashback...

I give it an 8/10, I'm not sure if I like the explanation of how Mike's "origin", I guess it beats him just being the product of a "babe of the week", some off screen fling or just a one knight stand (see what I did there?) But at the same time the explanation isn't working so well for me. If he was born after the series ended, maybe but they've put his age so that he would have been born in the original series time line. The being "sent off for protection" isn't working for me right now. It's almost as bad as if they made Stevie his mother and it was never mentioned. Just not a fan of revising history when it causes conflicts and Michael having a kid off somewhere and it never being mentioned, hinted or anything with the original series bugs me.

The Charles Graiman "invented the original KITT" so called loophole has started to bug me too. I would have accepted more if he was the guy who with Wilton Knight, designed KITT (and KARR before him) and over saw much of the work of the scientist who are established to have been involved in creating KITT from the "Junk Yard Dog" episode, this made it sound like he did all the work himself, just like he apparently did with the new KITT. The idea that KITT apparently couldn't just shut off his wireless connections to prevent someone hacking into him makes about as much sense as someone hacking your computer and still being able to do so even after you disconnect from the internet by unplugging the modem, not buying the "signal blocking thing". The durability issue annoyed me a bit with it being totally dependent on KITT being "turned on". Not sure about how I feel about the Foundation for Law And Government being funded now by the FBI...

There were a few plot holes too such as how the bad guys showed up in the casino so conveniently and maybe I'm remembering it wrong but how did the FBI come up not only ahead of them but with Carrie Rivai who was left behind at the motel, as well?

Then there was all the advertising, just so many commercials. But the KR related commercials I actually liked. However, the morphing to one Mustang to another with a different color while focusing on the emblems at points is something I dreaded before even seeing it and expected it but I was hoping they'd surprise me, on the bright side at least the MOMO logo was removed from the steering wheel.

Maybe I'm *****ing a bit too much but those right now were my biggest issues so I think an eight is still very good, I did like it for the most part. Hopefully the ratings are very good also and it makes it to series so things can be expanded on.

[IceKnight]

Hey all, longtime member and inactive for a long time, unfortunately.

Saw the movie/backdoor pilot. I was skeptical coming in, but I agree with several others... I knew it wasn't going to be THE original, and the fact that NBC took it as a continuation as opposed to a retooling/remake of the original made it much more swallowable.

Still digesting (and it's DVRed to watch again), but I think I liked it. Too many commercials, hope the series makes it to the air. The idea of KITT with a ricer wing (in Battle Mode) is still taking some getting used to, but I'm digging the new scanner.

And to those who noticed, I was visibly disturbed in the opening sequence to see KITT in pieces in Greiman's garage.

[Rockatteer]

So we have naked lesbians and Mike shagging.. hmm... nice to see they've kept the show family friendly.

[FuzzieDice]

I LOVED it! Yeah, there's always so many darn commercials in any TV show, I agree. But the 4-part one was cute.

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Did anyone notice how when KITT was talking about the lady (I keep forgetting her name!) mother and his voice modulator turned BLUE? Kinda reflected sadness?

KITT was outstanding! Remember, when the original pilot aired, KITT sounded very computer like and robotic. But he grew. So I guess the KI3K will grow too. There were some things that reminded me of the original KITT, too. Just little subtleties, I guess, nothing specific.

I think Val Kilmore is great as KITT's voice, too. Now I hope they'll do a series and also bring back KARR! I'm looking forward to this!

[jbh142]

I am aout to turn this off. They just ruined it. I can't belive how bad this is. They ruined my fav show from the 80's. The acting is HORRIBLE. THE STORYLINE is horrible, the car is not very slick looking and there are WAY TOO MANY COMMERCIALS. EWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Who agrees that this sucks!!!!!

I have to disagree with you on every point Jarret. The story was very well done and hit on enough points from the old show to tie it in very nicely. The special effects are top notch. The car is just awsome just amazing. The Ford mustang is the all american muscle car bare none. There is a reason it has been the #1 selling muscle car every year.

The acting was ok sure it could it could be better but the actor will get better as they become more comfortable with the rolls. To be honest watch the first season of Knight Rider from 83 and you would think the acting in this was alot better.

Overall it was a great start for what looks like will be a great show. There will always be naysayers like Jarret becasue they like to sit a nit pick everything they watch.. But I think the majority will like the show and it will be a success.

[rusti_knight]

It was just as I expected it to be, good, old fashioned fun, just like the original, just like TKR.

If you went into this expecting the grandeur that your nostalgia has manufactured, you'll be sorely disappointed, I'm afraid. The original was no different.

Don't be like the Transformers community, moaning that [Director] has ruined your childhood. Just sit back, relax, feel lucky you get a repeat, and enjoy.

[ussaribb39]

OK I was pretty excited about the return of the show, I really was. I was a mere kid when I watched Knight Rider in syndication in the late 1980s and was only six when I saw "Knight Rider 2000" on NBC for the first time. So naturally I got into the mood, watched a few episodes of Knight Rider online and downloaded KR2000 and I have to admit, the new series was way below expectations. Now there are a few reasons for that of course.

Number 1, for those in the Knight Rider fanbase, NBC wasn't trying to appeal to us. They want to appeal to the younger generations so they need to include sexxy women, punk rock and everything else. We in the Knight Rider community understand all the discrepancies between the original Knight Rider, Knight Rider 2000 and of course Team Knight Rider. So we look at this and say "Well wait a minute, Jenny was Michael Knight's daughter which means she must be the sister of Michael Tracer", etc and so on. The fact is that the writers aren't has informed as we are with the series.

Number 2, television in the '80s was much simpler. There was a plot and a way to end the plot and very few commercial interruptions, so they made sure that there wasn't any dull spots in the production of the episodes. Now what happens is that the shows run about 42 minutes without commercials, one hour with them. As a result of that and poor writing, they turned this 2 hours into absolute fluff. The first part of the episode was absolute junk. Very little action and hardly considered to be in the mold of Knight Rider.

If I were to grade this episode, I'd give it a C-/D, but again, that's because I'm an informed Knight Rider fan, an old breed. The new breed might be receptive to it and might give it a B/A grade, which is fine. For us old timers (ha, I'm only 22), we have to look towards the Knight Rider motion picture as the source of traditional Knight Rider themes and hopefully William Daniels back as the voice of KITT.

[ckeller22]

I liked it. A lot of people are going to compare this against four seasons of the old Knight Rider which isn't fair. This is the start off one hopefully going to series. I'm guessing story lines will get better and more gadgets will be added to the car. I think this was the best try of Knight Rider since the original. I hope it goes to series to see the full potent

[theevolved1]

Hello Friends ! its been quite awhile since Ive been here to the boards been quite busy. I bet most have forgotten about me not like I ever was anybody special other than a huge knight rider fan of course. So I figure Id give my 2 cents to the whole discussion here.

First off I can tell you my feelings on this new Show by saying what A GREAT Early Birthday Present. This show was my absolute favorite Tv Show growing up and anything Knight Rider Related im very accepting of or at least give it a chance. I must admit I was a bit skeptical about this one however not as much as I am about the new Star Trek remake but thats another entity in itself. For being such a huge fan of the original show and quite a non-believer in touching and messing with shows cannon I feel they for the most part did an amazing job with this. There are some things I would have liked to seen done differently like I think Kitt should have been able to Turbo Boost (who knows maybe he can and they wanted to wait till a series is approved before they go into those sort of functions although thats really not a small function) I dont think the acting was quite bad as some of the previous posts have mentioned. I think the CGI was a bit overdone at parts and some of the things could have looked more realistic and to proportion had they not rushed this project. I like the Hoffs appearance however if they do make a series out of this Id hope hed be considered to be involved because I think it would be very good to have in involved in some sort of way. Id also think it would be quite interesting if they could somehow bring the original Kitt with William Daniels into the series somehow... not necessarily having the car but if KITTs CPU could make an apperance. I also have to wonder if the ridiculous airplane idea at the end had anything to do with paying homage to the sad attempt of series as TKR.

[Vyron Knight]

The new show tonight did some serious damage to the entire aspect or preception of what views and fans of the of the old show. I was looking forward to action and seeing the car use turbo boost and jump vehicles, not just do alot of spinning around like a fool driving on wet pavement. Also the voice needs more tweaking to sound more human and what were they thinking letting the car be known about by other defence departments the old kitt had it all without big brother knowing what it could do.
The entire time I watched the show I seen more commercials than I did watching other TV shows that also started to turn me off as well. Man can you believe that they hire writers that can only writes that can only right about what is going on right now. I think they should focus on the car like they did in the past not about politics or pointless thinking.
Well to all the other fans I hope that you send NBC your thoughts because I know I am.

[FuzzieDice]

Rusti, you are right! And that's what I did. I loved it! I have the new Transformers movie too, and enjoyed that even though I never was a fan of the Transformers. So maybe KR will now pick up some new fans too.

I remember when I saw the original pilot, I saw the car and said "That's no Trans Am! I don't know what the heck that is but that is NOT a Trans Am!" I was miffed that Pontiac made it look that way at the time because I always loved the '77 Smokey and the Bandit Trans Am. To me THAT was a Trans Am! Dovetail! But the more I watched KR, the more I loved the car, KITT and the whole show!

Luckily I have always loved Ford Mustangs too. So this was easy to get used to.

[Knight Racer]

I think the reason why they had the guy in bed with 2 women was show the womanizing of the first series or even this day and age the hero has to be a womanizer or something.I has a knight rider premiere party tonight with 3 friends,I had to lure them here with free pizza and snacks cause they know how much of a knight rider fanatic I am so they wouldn't come here to watch a show i already talk about wayy to much.I like the small hints toward the old show like Mike's mother saying not another trans am.Was that Jennifer Knight?My friends and family were talking throughout the show and thank goodness I recorded it with my DVR in my living room with the 42 inch hdtv,a hdtv in my bedroom and a regular vcr.I also had my friend record it in another household in case I had a power outage.I was totally shocked when I guessed the 3rd and final sweepstakes commercial what does the KITT stand for.We all know him as the 2thousand series but since new show I hate having to have answered Knight Industries Three Thousand.

Also anyone notice Val Kilmer as the voice of the car didn't get credit as a certain William Daniels did the same in the original series.William asked not to have his name in credits to give the car a sort of life of its own.I wonder if Val felt the same way.

[Knight316]

I thought it was ok over all. i agree with the guy that said it sounded like kilmer sounding like a narrator. they didn't computerize his voice well enough which could've been time constraints. I didn't like when KITTs voice modular turned blue. it didn't suit it at all, although i wasn't a huge fan of the modulator as well. And i don't see what all these guys were talking about with all these cool features that were suppposed to be so much better than the turbo boost, etc. The only thing i saw in this was the car driving really fast (which they almost made sound like a jet passing by which was cool) and the morphing which was ok. They made it sound like KITT was going to be doing some crazy stuff. Ther SUV crash was really cool, but i didn't like the plane/semi at the end. The whole thing with the semi in my opinion was that it was pretty inconspicuous. If you didn't actually see the car going in, you wouldn't thing anything of seeing it. BUt there's only so many places you can land a plane to get the car in. They had that in TKR and the producers cut that version up so why would they take that from there and try to pass it off like it was their ingenious concept. The ending was great. the last 5 minutes really felt like the old knight rider. Overall, for every bad thing or thing i didn't like there were at least one or two i did so it balances out. i hope that it goes to series so we can see things fleshed out a little more. And what was with the theme song? the only part that was lik the original was the opening riff which was good but then it just goes into a guitar solo that didn't sound anything like it. I liked the version we hear in the early previews like the 2 minute one. It was remixed and new but it was also the same theme that we all love.

[knightny]

I give it an 8/10, I'm not sure if I like the explanation of how Mike's "origin", I guess it beats him just being the product of a "babe of the week", some off screen fling or just a one knight stand (see what I did there?) But at the same time the explanation isn't working so well for me. If he was born after the series ended, maybe but they've put his age so that he would have been born in the original series time line. The being "sent off for protection" isn't working for me right now. It's almost as bad as if they made Stevie his mother and it was never mentioned. Just not a fan of revising history when it causes conflicts and Michael having a kid off somewhere and it never being mentioned, hinted or anything with the original series bugs me.

In the shows description it states Mike Traceur is 23. At the end Michael Knight said he was asked by Wilton Knight to drive KITT 25 years ago. So this happened 2 years into the series. So yeah, I guess Michael was driving around knowing he had a kid somewhere AND never went back to them when the foundation shut down? I need a better explanation than that.

And for those who are nitpicking and claiming this was a horrible movie.....well when the mustang b!tching entered its second month I thought it was going too far. Now we are nitpicking about what information KITT was posting on his screen? C'mon just admit some of your minds were made up already before the movie aired and the only story you would have approved was the ideas already in your heads.

[theevolved1]

another thing i forgot to touch on that i liked was how they had the driving sequences with the music playing very reminiscent of the original show

[Squirrel3D]

Yeah well things are about to get heated.

I'm only 40% positive on this series. I hate the new KITT. That's right...I said it. You mean to tell me I'm suppose to buy into the fact that KITT can be damaged when it's computer is shut off?? Was the Two-Thousand ever like this....NO!!!! Bonded shell anyone?? Oh no...not mentioned here. Turbo Boost...none. Even if it only lasted like 2 seconds, I was hoping for it....but...nope. Did we need CGI to tell us that KITT is still bulletproof? Please.

Man did Ford pimp themselves in this movie. 3 ford commercials timed duringthe breaks anyone? Not to mention KITT's disguise.

The political correctness wasn't needed. Even KITT asking Mike if he was gay wasn't needed. Nor was the statistics of marrige in this country. That'll sure discourage people from getting married, an incourage PIMPING!!

And speaking of pimping...Mike in bed with two ladies. Way to go producers, letting all the young boys know that this is how to be a "relevant' guy. The storyline was swiss cheese...

But the 40% postivie however...

The bad guys were intimitating. They should be. KITT's screen is touchable and the new voice mod looks nice. The scanner wasn't too bad ether...BUT WHERE'S THAT WHOOSH SOUND? There were a cuple of hilarous action scenes, and when Mike told KITT to "shut up"...that was classic of the orignal show!

I like how they got KITT coming out a plane...but...was that the only time we'll ever see it? And of course....the hoff.

So yeah, it's gonna take alot for me to get into this potential new series.

[Rockatteer]

well my 12 and 8 year old kids have been psyched about the new Knight Rider and are hanging out to watch it.

I'm REALLY disappointed that the producers have chosen to follow current trends of social decline and make this unwatchable for children.

I was hoping the show would retain the family friendliness of its predecessor. I guess they're not interested in capturing a new generation of fans.

[FuzzieDice]

I liked the new theme song, actually. Pretty cool. And more up to date, too.

[Skav]

One reference nobody has mentioned so far is when

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Mike bumps into the door in his race car in the garage

Remember in the Pilot of the original show: Devon "I would have preferred you let me open the door first".

There were LOTS of references to the original show that I picked upon.

Did I like it? Yes! It's the best re-incarnation so far.

What I didn't like:

Bad CG effects (c'mon, they were very obvious)

Matrix style bullet time when the bullets hit the car

Dragged a bit in the middle

As much as I like women, it could have done without the threesome scene in the beginning

The swearing (Mike said piss in one scene, I'm sure it was that at least)




I'm still undecided on KITT'S ability to morph. On one hand it's cool but on the other it's just not really Knight Rider-y.

The Hoff cameo sealed the deal for me. The beginning credits were good too.

Kilmer's voice I still have a prob with but I could get used to it.

And please, I've noticed some say Kilmer's voice was too robotic, in the pilot episode, KITT's voice was also robotic.

It was only when the series progressed that KITT's voice became more human like.

Anyway, hope this goes to series!

[neps]

For those that are curious.

This movie without commercials was 1 hr 20 minutes in length.

The original Pilot in 82 was 1 hr 35 minutes in length.

The 15 minute difference I think has more to do with NBC than the KR execs of today.

[PHOENIXZERO]

Skav, he said "pee" I'm pretty sure... Though it was unneeded and they could have done the scene at the gas station.

KITT quoting statistics isn't political correctness, his asking Mike if he was a homosexual, the picture and Mike's response certainly was not... I found the whole thing funny. *Shrugs*

Jenny, Michael Knight's daughter? Huh? I think you meant Wilton and she wasn't Jennifer Knight. We still have no idea what happened with the Foundation or Knight Industries unless they're going to use KR2000 which I really REALLY hope they don't. TV running times really aren't that much different now than they were 20+ years ago, well okay I guess five minutes is a bit significant going from 48 minutes to around 42/43 is pretty much two more commercial breaks. Syndication back then did tend to trim things to include extra commercials now, not so much since shows are already made to give more than enough commercials.

I'm not going to say this is horrible or anything because it certainly wasn't. But I think some more time in production, if they could have worked on the script a bit more while filming, would have been very beneficial to improve some issues, I started to get annoyed with the whole "we found a loophole" thing as if David Andron was a genius who found something to exploit, I could buy Charles being involved and his involvement being significant but they made it seem like he was responsible for everything. I did like the twist thing with his double, tricked or more like, confused me until the reveal. Can't say I was impressed by what KITT did in the pilot, the SUV thing was cool though I will say that even with its own defying of basic physics, hopefully a series does allow for more. Yeah the race car/garage door scene was funny, didn't pick up the connection to the original pilot but I see it now.

Still, it was much better than KR2000. Hopefully the ratings are very good because I'd still like to see a series come out of it.

The threesome scene didn't bother me his character is supposed to be irresponsible and other things. While they didn't go as far into it in the original series, Michael Knight wasn't exactly a paragon of virtue. He was a "ladies man" or just a regular ol'manslut.

[Deferranfan1]

I thought the plot of the movie was good. I didn't know what was comming next. As for some of the car stuff I thought it was pretty lame for the most part. The fake scanner that you could tell was computer generated was BS. No turbo boost. I did like how it could change colors though. Lots of little things that were left out I think that would of made the difference. But then again we had a hole series of the classic to find out the little things about KITT. Over all I would give it a 6.7 out of 10. Not to bad but not all that good either.

[AzBat360]

I'm about to turn 35 and used to watch the show when I was a kid. I don't remember a lot of the shows, but I remember I absolutely loved it. Made the model and always wanted a TA. However, I never had the chance to watch the follow-ups or anything on DVD, but I want to try to catch up though. With that said, I loved the new show. My family and I watched and my 2 step-sons(13 and 15) thought it rocked. Wife didn't think it was all that bad, but she didn't seem all that interested to begin with. She said used to watch the original only because of the Hoff! LOL Anyway, I think NBC made a hell of try with the movie. Love the car, KITT, Mike and all the special effects. If there was one thing I would nitpick, that would be the theme. I loved the original and some of the remixes, but I wasn't real taken with the new version. Other than that, nothing else to complain about. I never saw TKR, so when I saw the plane thing, it totally floored me. It was so cool!. I can't wait to hear how the ratings did. I seriously want it to be made into a weekly series.

BTW, for those that really know the mythos and had problems with continuity problems, I say "just let it go" and enjoy what you got. I seriously think that sometimes that fans can be too picky. Sometimes to the point that it can harm future stories and imaginations. Transformers almost fell to that, but I believe the final product was excellent and appropriate. These movies and TV shows have to be done for a much larger audience and not the small fan base like the one here. You might not like it, but those are the facts that the studio has to consider.

Anyway, come on NBC give the series a green light! It's time for a new Mike & KITT generation!

AzBat360

[FuzzieDice]

In the original 80s pilot, at the end of the show KITT needed a tow truck. So this KITT did better. He self repaired when the computer came back online. Kinda another parallel nod to the original series, I would think.

On my local station, get this: They showed commercials for Nissan and Suzuki! I kid you not! LOL! NO Ford dealers in my area? There are. Just none advertised during the show! That gave me a laugh!

As for the political stuff, KR seems to be not as bad as a lot of other shows that are out there. I think the writers were trying to bring Knight Rider into the 21st Century. This isn't the 80s any more.

I also found it interesting how many are upset at the two women in bed with one man thing but they didn't notice the dialog between the blonde and the FBI agent, and the blonde was in HER bed? And the blonde said "aren't you afraid of leaving the house to someone you just met?" kind of thing? Note that the blond in her bed was supposedly nude?

And did you notice that KITT also quoted the bible at one point? So in a sense they are trying to appeal to all types of people. I agree I think it should have been handled a bit better, maybe in the series than try to put it all suddenly into the movie.

There were a couple things that offended me in the movie (and it wasn't the gay or women in bed thing) but I'm not going to nit pick.

I'm just going to enjoy it for what it is. A good show.

[FuzzieDice]

In the new transformer movie, one of the robots actually pees on the FBI agent, so I wouldn't say this was bad...