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The Knight Rider That Almost Was

Post by Victor Kros » Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:47 pm

Greetings,

Quite some time ago when I first met Glen, I had this idea stuck in my head to find some sort of way to bring a decent resolution to the original tv series. I had always admired how the plot had developed over time, save for some of the things in season 4 but the way the series ended just didn't bring any real resolution and Knight Rider 2000 was just a tragic disappointment.

After sitting down and really thinking over how to handle this task in a organized manner that would preserve the characters of the show and contain what I felt were the strongest elements from it, I came up with a pitch called Knight Rider: Phoenix.

This was to be a book I was going to co-write with Glen's son and we were either going to create a book or pitch it to a comic book company. Since this idea will never see print or production now, I feel it is safe to share with you.

This was essentially my treatment for how I would have addressed bringing closure to the series and finding a way to make transitioning between an older car (Trans-Am) to a newer one believable.

This was mostly more of a pitch idea then a fully developed treatment, sort of like the bare bones of something bigger but the general plot points and beats are established.

So now I invite you to read over the Knight Rider that almost was.

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Knight Rider: Phoenix

Setting - First we need to realize that like the reset with Batman Begins, you need to toss out the weaker spin off shows and movies and start fresh. This isn’t TKR, this isn’t Knight Rider 2000. For the sake of argument neither TKR nor KR2000 existed and the events that occurred in those storylines are tossed out.

While given an assignment to investigate strange occurrences across the Atlantic, KITT is placed into a specialized cargo container for an oceanic voyage. During the transport, terrorists for reasons unknown attack the vessel carrying KITT and in the chaos, the container with KITT inside falls into the ocean and sinks into depths that for the time are unreachable. In short KITT while preserved is lost to the depths of the forever.

Michael who witnesses the event tries everything in his power to recover KITT’s container but given the current technology there is no vessel that can recover KITT from the trench he’s sank into (The Mariana Trench).

This forces Michael to accept that KITT is lost. In memory of his computerized friend and partner, Michael continues to wear the wrist watch that KITT communicated with him on.

Flashing to 2010, Devon Miles has passed on and in doing so he has passed the torch of leadership to an older Michael Knight. Having lost KITT and realizing that nothing can bring him back, even as far as to try and recreate him from his original blueprints, Michael no longer wishes to go out and hunt down criminals himself without his real partner.

Michael is also older with streaks of gray in his hair and walks with a cane, hinting to his older age. In order to preserve the ideals of FLAG which is still needed to help the needs of the innocent, powerless, and helpless Michael has enlisted the aid of his successor Raven Knight.

Raven drives a car similar to KITT, named KATT (Knight Automated Three Thousand) which is black as well and at the request of Michael does not talk. He is in his late 20s and has wavy black hair and blue eyes and stands about 5’11. He has a build just like Michael did in his younger years and also chooses to sport a black leather coat. Raven also enjoys wearing sunglasses when he’s out on assignment to hide his eyes from his enemies so they can’t recognize him when out of his attire.

KATT is like a cross between a Lamborgini and a corvette. His car is also all black with the tinted black windows but features a blue scanner light and a led system that runs along the body of the molecular bonded shell, which at night looks like blue pinstripes with LEDs that run down the sides of it. (like a scanner light running horizontally but not as thick or as bright)

KATT can perform all the functions that KITT could do and could also perform automated tasks.

Raven is called away on assignment to investigate the disappearances of several lab techs and high profile technicians as well as uncover the links between these disappearances and the theft of several pieces of electronics equipment and specialized materials.

One evening in the dead of night, left by himself Michael is alerted by loud bangs and gunfire which signal an invasion on the mansion. Michael activates several defenses to secure the mansion from the incoming threat but oddly enough his commands are strangely overridden.

Soon Michael is swarmed by several SWAT type soldiers in heavy gear. Michael fights valiantly with his cane to overcome the odds but with his defenses down, but after taking a gunshot wound in the shoulder he is forced to slip into a hidden passage way in his office which leads to a hidden garage in the bowels of the mansion.

Here he tries to get to a vehicle to escape but before he can do so he hears a familiar sound and watches as the thick steel double doors are crushed in by a large speeding gray object. Michael instantly realizes what this object is, or rather the distinction of the invading behemoth of metal and steel.

Against all possible logic, Michael sees Goliath, the big rig fitted with KITT’s molecular bonded shell from cab to trailer, reborn. Michael remembers that both Garthe and Goliath flew over a cliff and sank to the bottom of the ocean but here was this ghost from his past in the middle of his domain.

What’s worse is that the driver who exits the vehicle is none other then Garthe Knight himself. It is clear Garthe somehow survived the fall but he did not come away unscathed. Garthe has a patch over his eye and a large scar running down the left side of his face.

Michael looks up in pure shock but Garthe knocks him out with a swift smack of his cane before he can ask any questions. Garthe looks to a second figure that exits Goliath. This person we have not seen before but from the words exchanged we learn he is Garthe’s true father, whom now apparently was not Wilton Knight as originally believed.

That is the mystery that has been set up that will add instant attention to the progression of “Phoenix” which implies several resurrections. Like a phoenix it is the revival of old enemies, old friends, and secrets long forgotten. How they come to resurface, and why?

Meanwhile while on assignment Raven and KATT investigate the strange objects that have been stolen and several technicians are found missing. By now you have figured out that these things have to do with bringing back Goliath once again from his watery grave and Garthe with him.

Raven follows clues that lead him to discover more about Goliath and who Garthe Knight is and eventually he is able to put the pieces together. This is all a clever form of misdirection by Garthe and his father to occupy Raven while Garthe has taken over FLAG.

Since Garthe and Michael Knight share similar voices, Garthe is able to impersonate Michael to a certain extent and keep Raven in the dark about what has really occurred at FLAG. Likewise with access to FLAG;s technologies he has also found ways to make sure KATT is not aware of what has happened.

Eventually as the story moves along, its revealed that Garthe has bricked Michael up inside an unknown location in the same similar manner as “The Cask of Amontidallo”. While Michael remembers things Garthe told him about his escape from the ocean and how he scarred his face it is also unveiled that Garthe has a plan but it is not his alone.

Raven meanwhile knows Goliath has been reconstructed once again and rushes off to FLAG to protect Michael before Garthe can reach him. (which is of course already too late). When Raven arrives at FLAG, Garthe has a surprise for him.

Garthe reveals that he discovered Michael and Devon’s dirty little secret and rebuilt KARR to add to his arsenal and to deal with Raven to show him what true power was. During a dramatic confrontation, armed with new weapons such as laser cannons and roof mounted rocket launchers like those on Bond’s car in Tommorow Never Dies, KARR succeeds in nearly destroying KATT.

Raven flees in KATT, before it is too late with KARR in hot pursuit of him. Thanks to KATT’s stealth technology however, KARR soon loses the trail. Raven then retreats to the only place he knows is safe for him, knowing for the moment he’s too far outgunned to take on Garthe and his father.

Raven is also deeply concerned in finding Michael. Enter the female lead, Raven’s girlfriend Skye Barstow the daughter of Bonnie. She is a slender, statuesque blonde reflection of her mother with an ample bust and all the attractive features that demand attention.

Skye like her mother is an extremely smart and well skilled technian who was partly responsible for the development of KATT, which was believed to be the successor to KITT’s design. She helps Raven get back on his feet and together they attempt to repair the heavy damage to KATT as much as possible. KATT is so heavily damaged because the weapons Garthe gave KARR have the ability to seriously damage the molecular bonded shell, which is still the same formula Garthe stole from years past.

It appears that over time, there was a critical weakness in the formula that allowed it to become more less vulnerable and the weapons developed by Garthe and his father were specifically designed to counteract the shell’s weaknesses. This explains why Raven was investigating the missing techs and the missing items, Garthe was not only rebuilding Goliath but he was also building other things as well to specifically counter FLAG’s defenses and weaponry with his father’s resources.

We’ve now reached the second act of the story. Having been forced into hiding, Raven remembers that Michael never removes his wrist watch. Although Michael chose to keep the significance of the watch a secret for the most part, Skye and Raven uncover through the FLAG online network the incident with KITT and all the data necessary to find him.

With technology now further developed, Skye finds that the government is working on a new underwater vessel in conjunction with FLAG to explore the depths of the ocean. This was one of Michael’s attempts to recover KITT before but without the proper resources his idea was abandoned.

While Raven and Skye are missing, Garthe discusses his plans with his father. We learn that Garthe was not Wilton Knight’s son, but rather that Wilton’s brother Dathan Knight gave up his child to Wilton so he could have a son. Garthe was in fact Dathan’s son all along and Dathan like Garthe was imprisoned when he chose to cross his brother and break the law.

Dathan reveals that it was his original idea to create KARR and that Wilton stole the concept and founded FLAG but Dathan left his mark on the project which caused KARR to become dangerous and eventually led to him being impounded. It is understood now that KARR was rebuilt with his original CPU specifically by Dathan so that Dathan could finish what he started years ago. Goliath was Garthe’s vehicle and KARR was Dathan’s instrument of destruction.

Meanwhile Raven and Skye find the location of the underwater vessel and use it to arrive where KITT was lost and recover the cargo container. When they bring the box inside their massive ship, they open up the container and find that KITT is covered in barnacles that leaked into the crate and coated in salt water debris but under the grime and grout, his body is still very much in tact but not a pretty site.

KITT can be revived and with a race against time to find Michael Knight, the only way for them to do so was to activate the tracker inside KITT. After some hours of hard work polishing and scraping away the debris in a montage sequence, finally the battery inside the gleaming black Trans Am is charged and KITT’s red scanner comes to life.

KITT’s confused and rightfully so plagued with the memories/data of being encased inside the sea faring casket which gives him a sense of claustrophobia. Long story short, Raven explains who he is and what has happened and that KITT needs to try to re-activate his wrist communication with Michael.

KITT is able (on the surface, outside of the ship) to trace the signal in Michael’s watch. Soon after Michael is rescued from his bricked up prison and he too needs time to recover from near starvation and dehydration.

Meanwhile Garthe and Dathan seek to use a government satellite to control the weapons defense systems in space and commander them to terrorize the people on earth by firing on them from space with high tech lasers.

-ADD LATER-

-Garthe and Raven break into government facility and steal satellite device.

-Goliath’s trailer is swapped out for a modified tanker trailer which allows him to fire surface to surface missiles like a submarine with tubes running across the top

-KITT fails to stop Garthe in Goliath after he’s sealed inside a tunnel from Goliath’s missiles. KITT must overcome his claustrophobia to escape and this allows Michael and KITT to rediscover their bond as partners.

-KATT is repaired and takes on Dathan inside KARR. In the battle Skye is critically injured. Raven is forced to leave the fight to save her life rushing back to their secret hideaway.

-KITT is preoccupied fighting Goliath. When Raven leaves the scene, KARR and Goliath attempt to gang up on KITT and Michael.

-KITT and Michael are also forced to flee.

-Back at the secret hideaway, Raven rushes to get medical help to save Skye but he returns to find she has died attached to a specialized machine similar to The Matrix in which a cable is jacked into the back of her skull.

-As Raven mourns the loss of Skye, KATT comes alive with Skye’s voice. Raven discovers that Skye knew her body was doomed to expire so she downloaded her consciousness into KATT so that Raven would not be alone.

-Michael learns of the flaw in the molecular bonded shell and that the molecules break down over time and when shells of like combinations impact one another it becomes explosive and no longer a barrier of protection.

-KATT and Raven use a Star Trek VI strategy and find a way to destroy KARR by exploiting weaknesses in his tailpipe which causes a chain reaction and destroys KARR internally which in turn sets Dathan Knight on fire before KARR explodes into a hellish blaze, never to return because this time his CPU is lost in the carnage.

-Garthe devises a trap to destroy Michael and KITT forever, using a missle to destroy a vital bridge that KITT must cross in order to reach him, knowing that KITT cannot survive the impact of the fall.

-As Garthe opens fire on the bridge, to his surprise KITT turbo boosts into the air and goes through a slight conversation. KITT has been upgraded with the same look at his Trans Am design but now has more grooves inside of his shell which reveal that KITT can now fly from concealed engines and slide out wings.

-Landing safely along the ground converting back int his full car-mode, the battle continues between Michael and Garthe. KITT uses oil slicks in an effort to overturn Goliath and smoke screens but all are proven useless, even KITT's new weaponry doesn't put much of a dent in Goliath's bohemoth structure.

-KITT flies into the sky to stop a specialized missile created to propel the stolen government satellite into orbit. KITT uses his scrambler in flight to send the missile flying back towards its source which impacts into Goliath’s new tanker trailer devastating it from the inside out.

-Garthe panics and separates the trailer from the front of his cab. Garthe swears that one way or another he will beat both KITT and Michael Knight. Garthe seeks to ram Goliath’s remaining truck into a nuclear reactor and set off a massive explosion that will destroy the city and everyone in it its blast radius.

(if this is a way to move the Knight Rider Series beyond Kitt/Michael)

-Garthe tries to head towards the nuclear facility in an effort to destroy it, forcing Michael to speed ahead and stand in his way. This creates that same scenerio of "chicken" from the Goliath episode where once again egos and structures will be tested.

-KITT and Michael realize that this is their last stand and knowing that fate has played its hand, in a massive blaze of glory with guns and laser cannons blazing, KITT’s body is shredded to bits while his weapons (head on) tear Goliath’s shelled cab to shreds until both powerful icons of Knight Industry history collide into each other's now unstable MBS shells, exploding in a massive display of self sacrifice and finalized victory.

-Raven and KATT attend the funeral of Michael Knight and the memorandum of KITT. Neither Michael’s body nor KITT’s CPU is ever recovered from the wreckage. Garthe Knight perishes with Goliath once and for all in the head on collision.

-Raven and KATT carry on the new Knight Rider legacy and build their own stories to tell.

-END-

ADDITIONAL NOTES

Unfortunately I do not have my alternate version but I also wrote a version where Michael and KITT do not perish in the end. Instead Michael downloads KITT's basic program into a ipod device then ejects out of the t-top roof into the air at the last second before the car slams into Goliath.

With KITT's new modifcations, the entire seat ejects, complete with parachute allowing Michael to land safely far away from the intial explosion below.

Goliath, the Trans Am, and Garthe all perish in a final cataclysmic eruption of fiery debris.

Back at the facility, KITT is downloaded into a sleek black concept camaro, restored good as new complete with the red scanner we all recognize as his signature look. This was to be Skye's gift to Raven that she had been working on while he was on assignment, now given to Michael and KITT.

The final sequence shows Michael and Raven discussing that they should change the phrase from "One man can make a difference" to "One team can make a difference."

Michael and Raven want to find out how fast their cars can go and which model is the better design in which KATT makes a comment about men and their testostrome needs for speed...then she makes a comment about how women are better drivers anyway because they stay focused on the road.

KITT replies to KATT something along the lines of, "While your previous statement intrigues me I believe the proper response would be...put your rubber where your voice box is."

Both Raven and Michael share a nod then line up outside the mansion on a straight away road heading towards the horizon then take off into the sunset, pulling back to wilton's infamous words but this time spoken by Michael who changes "one man can make a difference" to "one team can make a difference" and instead of his name, mentions Raven Knight.

Lastly I have an expanded version of the first half of the treatment here but it was never finished.

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Knight Rider Phoenix - Expanded Treatment

Setting - First we need to realize that like the reset with Batman Begins, you need to toss out the weaker spin off shows and movies and start fresh. This isn’t TKR, this isn’t Knight Rider 2000. For the sake of argument neither TKR nor KR2000 existed and the events that occurred in those storylines are tossed out.

The Inciting Incident (Flashback) – During a mission to a foreign territory like Brazil or some other oceanic trek where KITT is not able to simply drive to, KITT is transported in a very special container for the trip on a unique Knight Industries ferry like boat. Devon has sent Michael to investigate some suspicious activity which has prompted this very necessary precaution.

Suddenly in what appears to be a terrorist inspired plot, the ferry is attacked by heavily armed sea craft and in the melee of the carnage, KITT’s container plummets into the ocean. Michael tries everything he can to stop the specialized storage unit from sinking into the water but his efforts are hopeless. He is forced to watch as KITT is sent to a water grave into the depths of the ocean, which not only is in the middle of no where but also happens to lead him to descend not to the ocean floor but into an extremely deep and unreachable Mariana Trench.

Without the deep diving technology to reach KITT’s container, Michael is forced to accept that while KITT is preserved inside the storage unit, he is unreachable and therefore lost forever to him. Michael blames himself for not being quick enough or alert enough to stop the terrorist attack on the ferry and in memory of KITT, Michael wears his two way radio as a symbol of the friend that has been lost to him.

KITT is gone and Michael is without a partner. Devon and Bonnie try to create other versions of KITT by attempting to duplicate his CPU and preserve his voice but in the end Michael knows that it is not his friend, it is not the real KITT who had evolved to understand in his AI ways levels of human emotion that made him so lovable as a partner and a close friend.

The Future of FLAG – Transporting to the year 2010, not much as changed with the world, evil still exists and the need for the Foundation for Law and Government still exists. Devon Miles is now gone and without KITT, Michael takes his place. Michael now has gray streaks through his hair and a shaggy beard growing in and walks with a cane. He has become the founder who sits behind the desk and no longer the hot shot crime fighter with the fancy toys and the dashing good looks.

Again Michael, although the new founder of FLAG still wears his two way wrist communicator with KITT and although it cannot reach KITT whom is still preserved under the depths of the ocean, this connection will become gravely important as the story unravels.

Enter Raven Knight. Raven is the successor to Michael Knight who drives a black car of his own known as K.A.T.T. (Knight Automated Three Thousand). Raven is in his late 20s and has wavy black hair and blue eyes and stands about 5’11. He has a build just like Michael did in his younger years and also chooses to sport a black leather coat. Raven also enjoys wearing sunglasses when he’s out on assignment to hide his eyes from his enemies so they can’t recognize him when out of his attire.

KATT is like a cross between a Lamborgini and a corvette. His car is also all black with the tinted black windows but features a blue scanner light and a led system that runs along the body of the molecular bonded shell, which at night looks like blue pinstripes with LEDs that run down the sides of it. (like a scanner light running vertically but not as thick or as bright)

KATT also does not talk, at Michael’s request due to his choice to bury the memories of his past and try to get on with his life. KATT can however perform all the functions that KITT could do and could also perform automated tasks.

The Inciting Incident (Current Time) – While Raven is off on an assignment to investigate some large purchases being made and several key items being stolen from various facilities, back at the newly designed FLAG headquarters in the dead of night, Michael is awoken to the sound of a large object slamming head first into the far east wall of the proximity.

Soon the mansion is under invasion by heavily armed masked men in SWAT like gear, obviously bent on forcing their way into the heart of the building. Michael activates the defense systems and windows and doors are covered by thick sheets of metal and various bars but the invading force is like a swarm of bees coming in one after the other swarming the parameter.

They eventually break their way into the complex which forces Michael, because of his frailties to try and get to safety as men burst through the door of his office and attack him. Michael is still fairly quick on his feet and takes down several of the intruders with his trusty cane but with so many men flooding the building they eventually open fire on him and injure his left shoulder with gunfire.

Michael manages to slip into a hidden passage inside what used to be Devon’s office and travels down secret flight of stairs to the bowels of the mansion. As he attempts to get into one of the spare cars in the garage area of the facility, he hears that familiar sound…yet he can’t seem to remember where he’s heard it before.

A roaring squeal like thunder crackling closer and closer…suddenly as if he were trapped into a nightmare, plunged back into his past he sees the mammoth front view of Goliath slam through two large metal doors and crash head on into the garage.

This sends Michael scrambling to reach one of the vehicles to escape but roof mounted missiles on top of Goliath fire on every possible escape vehicle in the vicinity reducing them to rubble. Michael is left to wonder two questions. Is this really Goliath he’s looking at now and who is driving it?

Slowly the driver of Goliath exits the massive big rig and steps to the floor. He appears as a shadow as rays of moonlight and roaring fires begin to expose the details of his clothing. The figure grabs Michael and jerks him to eye level telling him how weak he’s become. It is at that moment we can see that this figure is wearing an eye patch and has a noticeable vertical scar running down from the top of his eye to the base of his cheek. We recognize who he is not by the details of his face but by what Michael says…

Which is simply, “Garthe?”

Before Michael can respond he’s knocked out cold by a striking blow from Garthe Knight’s cane. With Michael collapsed at his feet another figure comes out of the passenger side of the truck and looks around to the carnage. We do not see who this person is, only what Garthe hears him say.

The figure replies to Garthe after looking down to Michael, “Finally son, you will have back what was unlawfully stolen from you. You will have your legacy.”

Who is this guy? Why is he calling Garthe his son? How did Garthe survive the fall off the cliff and how come Goliath is not at the bottom of the ocean like KITT?

That is the mystery that has been set up that will add instant attention to the progression of “Phoenix” which implies several resurrections. Like a phoenix it is the revival of old enemies, old friends, and secrets long forgotten. How they come to resurface, and why.

Meanwhile while on assignment Raven and KATT investigate the strange objects that have been stolen and several technicians are found missing. By now you have figured out that these things have to do with bringing back Goliath once again from his watery grave and Garthe with him.

Raven follows clues that lead him to discover more about Goliath and who Garthe Knight is and eventually he is able to put the pieces together. This is all a clever form of misdirection by Garthe and his father to occupy Raven while Garthe has taken over FLAG.

Since Garthe and Michael Knight share similar voices, Garthe is able to impersonate Michael to a certain extent and keep Raven in the dark about what has really occurred at FLAG. Likewise with access to FLAG;s technologies he has also found ways to make sure KATT is not aware of what has occurred.

Where is Michael? – We return to a very dark and cold place where very little light can be seen, peeking through cracks in what appears to be a catacomb like place found in the bowels of ancient architecture. Here we see a blurry transition as Michael recalls how he has ended up where he is now. His memories paint the picture.

Garthe explains to Michael after he has chained him to the wall that he managed to survive the fall off the cliff due to Goliath’s watertight seal. He sank to the bottom of the river and used the air that he could to survive and when that air ran out he released a special mechanism that popped off the driver’s side door of Goliath and allowed him to float to the surface but the impact of the drop cost him his eye and disfigured his face with a scar to remind him of how Michael “beat him” again.

Garthe explains that he wants Michael to suffer as he once did, recalling his time in the African Jungle prison but that having come close to death, he had discovered a more fitting way to extract his revenge after reading Edgar Allen Poe during his recovery after the accident.

It was here Garthe explains to Michael his fascination with the story The Cask of Amontadillo and proceeds to explain the story while literally bricking Michael up inside a wall underneath the foundation of a undisclosed location. Garthe explains that while Michael will have a decent amount of air to breathe that will sustain him for at least a couple weeks, courtesy of some oxygen tanks he has placed, the darkness will drive him completely mad and eventually the rats will eat away at him as he stays there chained and helpless where no one can hear his cries for help.

So when we see Michael presumably several days later, Michael is indeed starting to become haunted by the demons of his past as Michael Lang and other various flashback events as well as his failure to stop KITT from falling into the ocean.

Meanwhile we return to the mansion where Garthe flips through the main computer of FLAG to see what sorts of technology he can steal or take advantage of. Now his accomplice and reason for his return is revealed to be a man named Dathan Knight, the brother of Wilton Knight.

Garthe as it turns out was actually Dathan's son whom he gave to Wilton to watch over becuase in secret Wilton desired a boy to pass his legacy on to and was unable to produce one.

As fate would have it Dathan was also the original inventor of KARR's CPU and recognizing the potential his concept had, he had plans that opposed the desires of his law abiding brother.

Dathan's plans were foiled however and he was banished away before he could inflict the harm he had planned but not before putting in a special sequence of code in KARR's programming that would keep his unit unique to his own characteristics which would eventually turn sinister much to the disappointment of Wilton.

Reunited now several years later, Dathan realizes that Michael Knight had encountered KARR twice before and he was certain after surveying the wreckage that they had recovered KARR's CPU in tact.

Sure enough Dathan eventually finds what he's been after and the central reason he has come to invade the Knight Foundation and use his son as his pawn in order to reclaim KARR's CPU and rebuild his precious creation...master and creation united once more.

Looking over the history of KARR and how he was a formidable opponent against KITT in the past, Dathan savors the common traits of vengeance. Any enemy of Michael and KITT was his ally and with KARR’s power at his fingertips, Dathan spotted an opportunity.

He found his way to take care of Raven when the time was right. Raven and KATT were after all the only thing that could threaten the power Dathan had attained and Garthe couldn’t keep Raven in the dark forever.

As Garthe looked over the plans for KARR with Dathan, they knew full well they had the entire battalion of resources of FLAG at their command Garthe also noticed a new weapons system involving one thing he had an affinity for…missles.

He ponders to himself then declares that he will make Goliath even stronger and prove once and for all that Goliath is the hand of fate and Garthe was its master. Garthe had FLAG but as most villains relate he wanted even more power…absolute power.

Together father and son would rule the world each with their own engines of destruction and nothing would stand in their way. What was old was new again and what was lost would be reclaimed.

-END-

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Post by scottab21 » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:23 pm

I could only hope that the new projects being made would be made and written in a fashion similair ti this... It would definately be one for the fans!

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Post by Mblackphoenix » Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:21 am

Hello Viktor,

your ideas are awesome. :lol:

And again I see that we fans think in common.
We all want to see KARR, Goliath and Garth again.
The ideas are all the same.
I had read so lot of Fanfic and had self written some of my own.
In the last one, I have too Michael gave the character of the leader from FLAG, and his son takes in the places of the operator.
Because of the hijacking from April Curtis, Michael is hurry to rescue her, but without of the help from his crew or his son and kitt.
And during his son is searching with Bonnie and Kitt and a new female technician to find a solution for there problem and to rescue Michael, Michael is confronted with Garth son, Karr and Goliath.
Greetings

Phoenix / Sabine

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Post by Victor Kros » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:03 am

Thanks,

They say great minds think alike.

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Post by Mblackphoenix » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:36 am

Thanks, too Viktor. :D
This was to be a book I was going to co-write with Glen's son and we were either going to create a book or pitch it to a comic book company. Since this idea will never see print or production now, I feel it is safe to share with you.

But maybe you were to early with the release of your work here in the board for the public.
If Glen Larsons Movie come to success you could have bring it too to public or respectively for merchandising also.
You are sitting on the source. For you it must be simple?

Can I ask you, what’s the problem that your work will never see print or production?
Greetings

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Post by FuzzieDice » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:50 am

That was a great story idea. I agree though, you probably should have kept it to yourself. What if NBC/Universal saw it and will use parts of it? Or some of the ideas now? Not that I'd not want to see it, but I would hope that you'd be duely compensated for your ideas.

Though I have to admit that I would hate for KARR to be completely destroyed. But the idea of a "original" CPU means that the one that was in KARR in the TV shows could have been another CPU? And of which could still be around and possibly reactivated? See, I would love KARR to be in the movie and TV shows along with KITT, and not some other car. But I guess we could all get used to the newer car.

I do think it would make an excellent movie or book. I'd want to see it and read it. :)

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Post by T.A.H.O.E. » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:31 pm

..................wow.......fan-freeking-tastic..........wow.
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Post by Victor Kros » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:11 pm

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This idea won't see print or production because Glen is not continuing the series as this concept would have intended. I highly doubt Universal would care to use those ideas since it would require them also to have to continue the series and that as far as I can tell is not their intention either.

If they were for some odd ball reason to use my ideas, I honestly don't care considering I'll be taken care of I'm sure when the Knight Rider movie reaches theaters and becomes a blockbuster success.

It will be successful because the story has heart and soul. It has the characters you've come to adore even if the actors change. It has the spectacular action and magical humor that is a signature of Glen's creative recipe that made his shows successful.

It will also be successful because of the passion of the fans who place their trust in Glen to do what he feels is right. I can't stress enough that you need to give this movie a chance and not dismiss it because it doesn't have David or doesn't have the original Trans Am.

Glen knew what he was doing back when he first invested his passion into the tv pilot, he has just as much passion now with putting the movie together and even more so because he knows people out there want to see it happen.

This will be classic Glen Larson taken to a whole new level you haven't seen before. It's the same general storyline of, "One man can make a difference" but re-imagined to be both believable and exciting for today's audiences.

If you can believe in a flying Delorean that goes back in time, you will believe KITT can rise from the ashes and fight the forces of evil once more. Remember KITT was the AI computer, not the car and without KITT a car is just a car.

-Fuzziedice-
As far that they'd be concerned even if they saw this treatment, it would be considered to them nothing more then another fan fiction idea from some no named fan of the show.

These ideas I posted have entirely nothing to do with the script for the movie and those details remain safely in the dark.

Now if I had posted my treatment for Knight Rider: Redux which was a new modern day reimagining of the series based on the pilot, then I would probably have issues surrounding that concept getting stolen and used without permission.

I wisely decided not to make that public knowledge.

Lastly the "original" CPU I was referring to was eluding that sometime later, the CPU inside KARR which survived the impact in K.I.T.T. vs. K.A.R.R. was eventually recovered and locked away perhaps by Devon and his team without Michael's knowledge.

This would have been done to ensure K.A.R.R. could not be recreated.

The CPU was the same as the one in KARR, not a different one so it would contain all the "data" of KARR's twisted quest for revenge that would have matched his creator's plans for retribution making them the perfect team.

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Post by FuzzieDice » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:25 pm

Ah, so it was the same CPU. That would have been an interesting twist.

Maybe you should put it into a fanfic story anyway and post it on FanFiction.Net? I mean, it's a great story and you could spin off more stories from it with Raven and KATT. Why not? :) I know that other commitments get in the way though. That's why I'm not doing any fanfic right now and have taken down my web site for now. Maybe when things calm down a bit I will put it back up somewhere.

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Post by Lyn » Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:55 pm

Interesting........

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Post by _K.I.R.R_ » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:49 pm

it was awsome the only part i didnt like was and the name k.a.t.t. other than that it was awsome i loved it! i made my own after i read yours. it startes off the same but no garth and no swat bustin in. after they retrieved k.i.t.t. he was damaged so the made another car to help k.i.t.t. and michael and they called it K.I.R.R. (Knight Industries Roving Robot) but they made the same mistakes they did with K.A.R.R. and it was evil and turned on them. so they had to get bonnie and the original team to repair and upgrade K.I.T.T. so that they could stop K.I.R.R. and reprogram it so its good and they team up. and thats what the series is based on. :kitt: :spm: :spmgo: :karr: :kittconv: :kittside: :dash: :dash4: :kittspin: :kittconv2: :skar: :kittx:
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Post by JJSoCrazy » Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:34 pm

Awesome job VK, BRAVO! I love the story and where it leads, I really felt like I was there the entire time!

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Post by kitt1 » Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:33 pm

Interesting.... Although there are a number of elements in your story that are similar to a treatment that I wrote about two years ago. Can't say I'm crazy about the whole Dathan Knight, Garth's father plot. Too many villians in this story for me. Just my 2 cents. Also, since Wilton Knight was about in his mid 70s in 1982, wouldn't Dathan be close to a hundred by now? Then you have Garth and Dathan flash forward several more years? Wow, that's one old dude! I realize you said this was going to be a comic book. Also interesting that Michael and Garth now both carry canes. Why couldn't Michael have blocked Garth's cane with his? Just asking.

Not too keen on this one either...
Since Garthe and Michael Knight share similar voices, Garthe is able to impersonate Michael to a certain extent and keep Raven in the dark about what has really occurred at FLAG. Likewise with access to FLAG;s technologies he has also found ways to make sure KATT is not aware of what has happened.

Michael and Garth had different voices. Garth's was deeper and Michael had to deepen his voice when he impersonated Garth, but I personally don't feel that Garth could have done the reverse and impersonated Michael's voice. I know, it's a story.

And this one...
Garthe reveals that he discovered Michael and Devon’s dirty little secret and rebuilt KARR to add to his arsenal and to deal with Raven to show him what true power was. During a dramatic confrontation, armed with new weapons such as laser cannons and roof mounted rocket launchers like those on Bond’s car in Tommorow Never Dies, KARR succeeds in nearly destroying KATT.

Laser cannons and roof mounted rocket launchers? Is it a car or a Transformer? Also, roof mounted rocket launchers on a T- top? Hmmmm? Also, other that the addition of Dathan, why would Garth need KARR if he had GOLIATH?

This one's a little far fetched for me too...
Meanwhile Garthe and Dathan seek to use a government satellite to control the weapons defense systems in space and commander them to terrorize the people on earth by firing on them from space with high tech lasers.

This one is really too far fetched for me...
-Back at the secret hideaway, Raven rushes to get medical help to save Skye but he returns to find she has died attached to a specialized machine similar to The Matrix in which a cable is jacked into the back of her skull.

-As Raven mourns the loss of Skye, KATT comes alive with Skye’s voice. Raven discovers that Skye knew her body was doomed to expire so she downloaded her consciousness into KATT so that Raven would not be alone.


Skye knew her body was doomed to expire? She was psychic and could see the future knowing that she would be the victim of a "car- battle"?


This is kinda' STAR TREK. All matter/anti-matter like...
Michael learns of the flaw in the molecular bonded shell and that the molecules break down over time and when shells of like combinations impact one another it becomes explosive and no longer a barrier of protection.

Speaking of STAR TREK...
-KATT and Raven use a Star Trek VI strategy and find a way to destroy KARR by exploiting weaknesses in his tailpipe which causes a chain reaction and destroys KARR internally which in turn sets Dathan Knight on fire before KARR explodes into a hellish blaze, never to return because this time his CPU is lost in the carnage.

...exploiting weaknesses in his tailpipe? No comment. So...is Dathan Knight dead? Or did he survive a "hellish, blazing, explosion" that destroys a KARR?

As Garthe opens fire on the bridge, to his surprise KITT turbo boosts into the air and goes through a slight conversation. KITT has been upgraded with the same look at his Trans Am design but now has more grooves inside of his shell which reveal that KITT can now fly from concealed engines and slide out wings.

KITT can now fly? Seriously? Uhhhh, wasn't it SPM that finally killed KNIGHT RIDER in the original series?

-Garthe panics and separates the trailer from the front of his cab. Garthe swears that one way or another he will beat both KITT and Michael Knight. Garthe seeks to ram Goliath’s remaining truck into a nuclear reactor and set off a massive explosion that will destroy the city and everyone in it its blast radius.

Nuclear reactor. Again. Seriously?

if this is a way to move the Knight Rider Series beyond Kitt/Michael)

Every real KNIGHT RIDER fan I know does not want Michael and KITT destroyed.

Victor, don't get me wrong. I'm not slamming your story. Just addressing a few things that bother me about it. You really do "borrow" plot ideas from a lot of non KNIGHT RIDER media. All in all a number of good ideas. I think fan-fiction is a good way to keep KNIGHT RIDER alive with the fans.

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Post by PHOENIXZERO » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:22 pm

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Post by Stylez » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:52 pm

kitt1 wrote:Interesting.... Although there are a number of elements in your story that are similar to a treatment that I wrote about two years ago.


Was it ever posted online? I seem to recall reading something similar before, could have been this very thread though, it is just shy of a year old. Oh well sorry guys.....

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Post by Victor Kros » Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:41 am

Interesting.... Although there are a number of elements in your story that are similar to a treatment that I wrote about two years ago. Can't say I'm crazy about the whole Dathan Knight, Garth's father plot. Too many villians in this story for me. Just my 2 cents. Also, since Wilton Knight was about in his mid 70s in 1982, wouldn't Dathan be close to a hundred by now? Then you have Garth and Dathan flash forward several more years? Wow, that's one old dude! I realize you said this was going to be a comic book. Also interesting that Michael and Garth now both carry canes. Why couldn't Michael have blocked Garth's cane with his? Just asking.

- First and foremost, thank you for reading my post and I believe I made it clear that this was a very rough skeletal outline of ideas I was coming up with. Clearly it's not entirely hashed out and it does have some problems here and there but the gist of what I was trying to get across is still there.

Secondly as per Dathan Knight, where did I state he was the same age as Wilton? You can have a younger brother just as easily. He would be younger, not by a hell of a lot but still. You have to consider the older mobster mentality of a guy like say Silvermane in Spider-man who is old, feeble, but still attempts to attain power, using others younger (relatives for instance) then him to keep his stranglehold over a criminal empire.

Dathan by himself could not have managed to overtake the mansion, even with all of his SWAT type thugs clearing a path for him, he wanted to make sure Michael was driven below. That's how Garthe knew where to find him. It was Michael's only means of escape, every other avenue was blocked off.

Michael couldn't block Garthe's cane because

#1 He was shot in the shoulder already and losing blood.

#2. The shock of seeing Garthe's return and the horrific damage to his face (bald and wearing a eye patch) caught him entirely off guard. Michael's quick sure but when you're distraction by emotion, Garthe was quicker.


Not too keen on this one either...
Since Garthe and Michael Knight share similar voices, Garthe is able to impersonate Michael to a certain extent and keep Raven in the dark about what has really occurred at FLAG. Likewise with access to FLAG;s technologies he has also found ways to make sure KATT is not aware of what has happened.

Michael and Garth had different voices. Garth's was deeper and Michael had to deepen his voice when he impersonated Garth, but I personally don't feel that Garth could have done the reverse and impersonated Michael's voice. I know, it's a story.

- He could use a voice altering program to do it. With advanced technology and all it's not out of the realm of believability that he could pick up a phone and alter his voice to sound like Michael Knight. I purposely did not say he appeared visually (like in a video screen shot) to Raven when he was impersonating Michael. again this was a rough idea I was playing around with.

Keep in mind the whole time Garthe and his father are occupying the Knight Manson, Raven and KATT are far away investigating their original case of missing equipment (used to recreate Goliath) which is just a distraction by Garthe and his father to keep them occupied away from the mansion activity itself. With Raven and KATT out of town, they would have no idea what had happened until Garthe ran out of things to distract them with.

And this one...

Garthe reveals that he discovered Michael and Devon’s dirty little secret and rebuilt KARR to add to his arsenal and to deal with Raven to show him what true power was. During a dramatic confrontation, armed with new weapons such as laser cannons and roof mounted rocket launchers like those on Bond’s car in Tommorow Never Dies, KARR succeeds in nearly destroying KATT.

Laser cannons and roof mounted rocket launchers? Is it a car or a Transformer? Also, roof mounted rocket launchers on a T- top? Hmmmm? Also, other that the addition of Dathan, why would Garth need KARR if he had GOLIATH?

- Who said he was rebuilt as a Trans Am? Granted I didn't just spell out that KARR was created as a new car design but you really should pay closer attention to the other details before jumping to conclusions about things too quickly.

Dathan reveals that it was his original idea to create KARR and that Wilton stole the concept and founded FLAG but Dathan left his mark on the project which caused KARR to become dangerous and eventually led to him being impounded. It is understood now that KARR was rebuilt with his original CPU specifically by Dathan so that Dathan could finish what he started years ago. Goliath was Garthe’s vehicle and KARR was Dathan’s instrument of destruction.


and this should elude to the fact, they're upgrading things

As Garthe looked over the plans for KARR with Dathan, they knew full well they had the entire battalion of resources of FLAG at their command Garthe also noticed a new weapons system involving one thing he had an affinity for…missles.

He ponders to himself then declares that he will make Goliath even stronger and prove once and for all that Goliath is the hand of fate and Garthe was its master. Garthe had FLAG but as most villains relate he wanted even more power…absolute power.


The treatment is called Knight Rider Phoenix for a reason, it's old enemies emerging again in new forms. A phoenix's old body turns to ashes, before it is reborn through fire into a new form. So it is with everyone in this story. Everyone at some point dies in a sense before they can be reborn and what they take away from that trial by fire is what makes them emerge as something new, whether it's heroic or sinister.

[b]Garthe upgrades Goliath with a brand new missle launching oil rig trailer. How did he restore Goliath to begin with? That's one portion that wasn't hashed out but we don't know specifically how Adrianne managed to rebuild Goliath in Goliath Returns either with respects to reapplying the MBS. We just go with it.

KARR returns with new and more threatening weaponry. You have to keep in mind the time that has passed between when Michael lost KITT to the depths of the ocean and when Raven and Skye go to recover him. During this period there's been substantial advances in technology.

This one's a little far fetched for me too...
Meanwhile Garthe and Dathan seek to use a government satellite to control the weapons defense systems in space and commander them to terrorize the people on earth by firing on them from space with high tech lasers.

- Classic Bond villany, Glen is a tremendous fan of Ian Flemming, this kind of device would be right up his alley and I don't see people complaining about how campy James Bond movies are, save for Die Another Day.

This one is really too far fetched for me...
-Back at the secret hideaway, Raven rushes to get medical help to save Skye but he returns to find she has died attached to a specialized machine similar to The Matrix in which a cable is jacked into the back of her skull.

-As Raven mourns the loss of Skye, KATT comes alive with Skye’s voice. Raven discovers that Skye knew her body was doomed to expire so she downloaded her consciousness into KATT so that Raven would not be alone.

Skye knew her body was doomed to expire? She was psychic and could see the future knowing that she would be the victim of a "car- battle"?

- Again you're jumping to conclusions without really paying attention to the set up. She had been working on several things for Raven while he was out following Michael's orders. This experimental technology was just one of the things she was tinkering with. As far as her knowing her body is going to expire, I mentioned she was fatally injured (I did not say seriously injured as in, couldn't move etc) so she knew if she didn't try to do something with the time she had left, she'd die in vain. Her last effort to survive was test out the machine and hope for the best.

I would assume jacking something into your skull would kill you anyway but in this case she had nothing to lose and everything to gain if it worked.

In my aternative ideas where Michael and KITT do not die at the end of the book, I even mentioned specifically that she built a sleek new camaro for Raven originally, but it was given to Michael and KITT.


Back at the facility, KITT is downloaded into a sleek black concept camaro, restored good as new complete with the red scanner we all recognize as his signature look. This was to be Skye's gift to Raven that she had been working on while he was on assignment, now given to Michael and KITT.


Skye is just as resourceful as her mother Bonnie. I purposely made her follow in her mother's footsteps and like Bonnie she modifies KATT/KITT (whether you like the modifications or not) when she has to. Like Bonnie when KITT was in need of repair, she was there to help. The same is true for Raven and KATT.

This is kinda' STAR TREK. All matter/anti-matter like...
Michael learns of the flaw in the molecular bonded shell and that the molecules break down over time and when shells of like combinations impact one another it becomes explosive and no longer a barrier of protection.

- Yes well I wanted something that was a threat to both Michael and Garthe. Notice that KARR does not have this weakness because KARR's application of MBS is newer, same with KATT.

Speaking of STAR TREK...
-KATT and Raven use a Star Trek VI strategy and find a way to destroy KARR by exploiting weaknesses in his tailpipe which causes a chain reaction and destroys KARR internally which in turn sets Dathan Knight on fire before KARR explodes into a hellish blaze, never to return because this time his CPU is lost in the carnage.

...exploiting weaknesses in his tailpipe? No comment. So...is Dathan Knight dead? Or did he survive a "hellish, blazing, explosion" that destroys a KARR?

- Yes he's dead, he dies with his creation. It was a throw back to TKR's "Kro" episode only instead of a driver dying with his intended vehicle (like Martin Jantzen did with K.R.O.), it was the creator. As far as the tailpipe issue, what about Knight of the Drones when KITT was destroyed the same way? Did you ever consider that was also my consideration for using that approach? As I recall it's the one weakness KITT has and ironically enough as far as prototypes go, same with the Bird of Prey. Incidentally Star Trek VI is one of my favorite Trek movies (next to Wrath of Kahn). I just love everything about it, especially Christopher Plummer.

As Garthe opens fire on the bridge, to his surprise KITT turbo boosts into the air and goes through a slight conversation. KITT has been upgraded with the same look at his Trans Am design but now has more grooves inside of his shell which reveal that KITT can now fly from concealed engines and slide out wings.

KITT can now fly? Seriously? Uhhhh, wasn't it SPM that finally killed KNIGHT RIDER in the original series?

- Again, first off being original and secondly, this is just a rough idea it's not a final draft. I needed some sort of way to modernize the Trans Am. It's also a feature Garthe did not plan for with his so called "brilliant" revenge plan and really not much less I could have done, short of having the Trans Am glide down or something but that's really a lot of mass you're dealing with. Also notice said "mode" must be used sparingly, it's not something he can use as a common place function. Checks and Balances you see, for every powerful advantage there must be an equal weakness to maintain a sense of believability.

-Garthe panics and separates the trailer from the front of his cab. Garthe swears that one way or another he will beat both KITT and Michael Knight. Garthe seeks to ram Goliath’s remaining truck into a nuclear reactor and set off a massive explosion that will destroy the city and everyone in it its blast radius.

Nuclear reactor. Again. Seriously?

- Yes, seriously. It's the most recognized threat to a city. You have to keep in mind the Ian Flemming references here. If you know you're plans are foiled and you're going to go to prison or worse, wouldn't you want to take some people with you before you go down? In this case it's Garthe's desperate attempt to still come out on top, even if he has to die to do it, he wants to take Michael down with him.

Garthe doesn't want to be slowed down or damaged by the missle backfiring into the trailer so he seperates it and gets the hell out of the way. Remember the missle went back to the tube where it was launched, leaving a vital weakness in the trailer's MBS, just like that single bolt in Goliath, an open port is like the Death Star, shoot a missle down it and you're toast.


if this is a way to move the Knight Rider Series beyond Kitt/Michael)

Every real KNIGHT RIDER fan I know does not want Michael and KITT destroyed.

- Originally I just wanted to give the series closure. I revised my ideas so Michael and KITT don't die in the end in case people did actually think they liked Raven and KATT and would want to see them all continue as a team in some series. Not as expansive or overbearing as five drives and five talking cars, but just enough for Michael to be a father figure for Raven, and KITT to have some comedic friction with Skye inside KATT. Girl power and all that clashing with mechanized ego.

Lastly, Michael and KITT go out as they were meant to. They go out in a blaze of glory and honestly if Michael and KITT must perish there is no better way to do it then in the heat of battle where you save the entire city from destruction. It's self sacrafice and that is the ultimate form of heroism.

I did re-think that KITT didn't have to die, but considering I wanted to eventually get KITT into a new car more modernized for the times, I had to find a way to destroy the Trans Am in a manner that was both understandable and exciting. I didn't just pile up pieces and explain they're just in some damn dumpster and leave it at that like some other continuation concepts did *coughcoughKR2000coughcough*.

I wanted to make sure the Trans Am was given its one last moment to shine before it was finally retired.

I kept the relationship there when Michael and KITT reunite and they DO go back into action for one last valiant adventure behind the wheel of the original Trans Am, and I believe that is something every Knight Rider fan wishes to see happen.

I would have had some flaws sure, but for the most part I would have delivered the things people demanded from Knight Rider 2000 or beyond, maybe even with this new Knight Rider 2008 series. I believe to that end, had I given this more thought and really structured things out it would have been a book people would have been proud to read and when they were finished, could walk away satisfied.

Killing off Michael and KITT is always risky obviously but I think had I chosen to go that route, it would have ended in such a way people would have known it had to be in order for them to go down at their most defining moment, like a cowboy who is slowly going to bleed to death, knowing he must die but still he enbraces his fate boldly striding off into the sunset aboard his trusty steed.


Perhaps Michael was just tired of fighting, we really don't know at that point if he felt that by his sacrafice he'd find his own sense of closure. It's very clear early on he's very much effected by Devon's passing and the loss of KITT and then there's also Stevie to consider. He starts off bitter, alone, and frustrated. This is another reason I insisted he made sure KATT would not talk and yet Michael continues to wear his communicator watch to show he's not ready to move on yet.

Maybe at that shining moment, he knew it was time to join Devon and Stevie and accept that he was the man who would make a difference with his sacrafice, that his journey could not end on a higher note then say old age in a hospital somewhere. I would have had to really explore what was going through his head with KITT at the time but again being a rough idea I hammered out in about two or three hours (which I think is pretty decent considering) when I was ready to sit down and actually write all this out, I would have made sure things made sense.


I am a very firm believer in paying attention to the who, what, where, when, why and how when it comes to storytelling.

Victor, don't get me wrong. I'm not slamming your story. Just addressing a few things that bother me about it. You really do "borrow" plot ideas from a lot of non KNIGHT RIDER media. All in all a number of good ideas. I think fan-fiction is a good way to keep KNIGHT RIDER alive with the fans.

- You call it "borrowing" I call it paying hommage to things that inspired me as a kid. Would you condemn Glen for "borrowing" his concept of Knight Rider from The Lone Ranger or 2001: A Space Odyssey?

Honestly I don't mind constructive critisim and I appreciate that you took the time to read what I wrote. I think the problem is you had this pre-concieved notion of what to expect in your head versus what is actually written.

Again this was over a year ago now and at the time it was just a rough idea I hashed out in about two or three hours one night. If you think that's bad, trying coming up for a pitch to remake Knight Rider into a motion picture in the about the same amount of time. Knight Rider: Redux is one treatment that I will not post in public because unlike Phoenix I know for a fact my ideas for that would be stolen left and right.

I do not want you to think I'm being some arrogant pain in the butt either by disagreeing with some of the things you've brought up. I appreciate the thoughts and believe me, had I taken this further I would have gone around and got several different opinions on what I was planning to do and would probably have a very similar conversation that we're having now.

On the subject of constuctive critism, I do have one piece of advice for you and I hope you really take it to heart and not take offense. When you give a critique, keep in mind that the best approach is to start with what you like, before you move into what you do not like. It makes someone feel better when they know you don't completely hate something and they'll usually be more open to listening to what you don't like and respect your opinion more. Keep a balance, otherwise you discourage someone more then encourage them to improve.

I do respect your opinion and I hope you can respect my responses, even if you do not agree with them.

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Post by kitt1 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:44 pm

On the subject of constuctive critism, I do have one piece of advice for you and I hope you really take it to heart and not take offense. When you give a critique, keep in mind that the best approach is to start with what you like, before you move into what you do not like. It makes someone feel better when they know you don't completely hate something and they'll usually be more open to listening to what you don't like and respect your opinion more. Keep a balance, otherwise you discourage someone more then encourage them to improve.

I do respect your opinion and I hope you can respect my responses, even if you do not agree with them.


Again, I wasn't trying to slam your story. Considering the length of your story, I figured it would be easier to point out the items I disagreed with. Besides, I'm a slow typist.

Incidentally, I love your work on your license plates.

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Thank you for your positive comments on my license plates. I look forward to your order. :wink:

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Re: The Knight Rider That Almost Was

Post by seeker78 » Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:51 am

kitt1 wrote:
As Garthe opens fire on the bridge, to his surprise KITT turbo boosts into the air and goes through a slight conversation. KITT has been upgraded with the same look at his Trans Am design but now has more grooves inside of his shell which reveal that KITT can now fly from concealed engines and slide out wings.

KITT can now fly? Seriously? Uhhhh, wasn't it SPM that finally killed KNIGHT RIDER in the original series?


lol that's what I was thinking there!!!

-Garthe panics and separates the trailer from the front of his cab. Garthe swears that one way or another he will beat both KITT and Michael Knight. Garthe seeks to ram Goliath’s remaining truck into a nuclear reactor and set off a massive explosion that will destroy the city and everyone in it its blast radius.

Nuclear reactor. Again. Seriously?


Well not to mention the fact that hitting a nuclear reactor containment vessel and penetrating it will NOT cause a nuclear explosion. There would probably be some release of radiation i.e., "a dirty bomb" but not a nuclear explosion.

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Re: The Knight Rider That Almost Was

Post by Victor Kros » Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:57 am

Garthe doesn't know that, hence his overconfidence. Think about the character motivations and their obvious character flaws, not necessarily the situation they're placed in.

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Re: The Knight Rider That Almost Was

Post by Kitzira » Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:21 pm

No offense, but I think the reason this sounds familiar is because it is very Fanficish.. I'm pretty sure I came across a Raven Knight or 3 on fanfiction.net along with a KATT that takes up the reigns of the crime fighting.

The part of Kitt being lost is original though, I'll give ya that. But everything else sounds like what other fans have been doing for the past, erm, 22 years?
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