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Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby einzwei » Sep 03, 2010 9:08 am

After having read your entries regarding the envisaged KR movie, I want to share my following thoughts (as some of you already did in the same way).

Being a fan of KR since more or less twenty years, I personally think that the biggest mistake the creators of the movie can do is the change the original K.I.T.T. (from the original TV series) to a new model.

Why? The movie will be directed to the main target group of the 14-35 years old. Image the movie with (necessarily) new actors and a completely new designed K.I.T.T.. What would be the result? Those targeted people normally interested in the movie (as they know and like it from former times) will, in that case, certainly look for the "link" to the original series they liked. This link, in my opinion, can only be two fold: The old K.I.T.T. and/or the old cast. Consequently, this can only be the original K.I.T.T. (as, of course, the old actors can and will not play the roles again). If there is no link to the series people remember, they could regard the movie as a totally new one, as some new movie with some "speaking car" (which in my opinion happened to new KR series).

There are several examples that leaving an essential part of a stroy untouched leads to success, i.a.
- Star Trek Movie: The plot was based on a totally different actor crew. However, the creators decided not to change the essential part of the movie: the ENTERPRISE. That could be a reason why people liked the movie as they could build up a connection by the former ENTERPISE ship (which was the same as in the traditional series) used which people simply knew. If they were seeing the ship in trailer, they possibly felt a close connection from (old) memories to the new movie.
- A-Team: As discussed als here: People really liked to see the old Van from the old series. Again, totally different cast, but one stable element: The old Van. Many of my colleagues mentioned that it was great to see that, even only in short scenes.

Back to KR, here it is even more crucial to rely on the old K.I.T.T. as it has such an important role an can even be seen as an "actor" besides Micheal Knight etc. :kitt:

What do you think?

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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby Skav » Sep 03, 2010 10:50 am

I understand what you are saying and you bring up good points but the Pontiac is a no go as it's not produced anymore, the best we can hope for is a cameo by a replica KITT loaned for the film.

Would the presence of the original KR theme do it?

Remember, the film is an updated version of the original pilot so even the original theme could probably only make a "cameo" unless the whole thing is revamped but KR2008 already got there first with their's.

We would all like to see Daniels back again as the voice of KITT but the movie needs to get a move on for that to happen as, let's face it, he's not getting younger.
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby jablonsj » Sep 03, 2010 10:16 pm

I have read many blogs, internet entertainment news and other info about a possible Knight Rider Movie that would be different, the same or simular to the original series. Knight Rider 2008 tried to tie in the elements of Michael Knight (Hassellhoff) to -in a sense- give his blessing and keep the older audience that grew up on KR 1982 interested. KR 2008 jumped the shark by giving too much CGI and special effects to the car and not enough plotline and intrigue to the characters to believe that this series was genuine to the original. Now there is speculation about the motion picture (whenever that happens) will be completely different. If they want to hook the older audience of KN 1982 and introduce the next generation then the plotline must include elements of the original series pilot (Knight of the Phoenix) episode. Hassellhoff's Knight could be the next Devin Miles as the center of the universe (or FLAG) with a new driver for the Knight Rider. He can be the cornerstone that will solidify the legitimacy of the old while introducing the new. The storyline for the pilot episode was (and should have been kept as) dark, revenge driven and remorsefull at the end. Larson placed some lame comedic elements (the two car jackers) in the pilot but that can be left out of a major motion picture. What made that pilot so intriguing was that "one man can make a difference." The relationship between MIles and Long (Knight) was like a Father and Son coming to terms with each other. Hassellhoff could be used in a minor role like this with a new actor being introduced into the role of Knight Rider pilot. The Motion Picture should follow the same elements that made the pilot episode so great and re-create that with a modern 21st century makeover. I believe that if it is done right the people will be interested in seeing a KN movie and not mark it up as a "rush to screen botch job." Star Trek 2009 was a good example but I also feel that "X-Files - Fight the Future" (1997?) is another good example of not straying far from the nuts and bolts of a good mix of story and character. We can only hope Glen Larson will do the right thing and make Knight Rider - The Movie a hommage to the original "Phoenix" and let it be born again in that splendor.
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby Victor Kros » Sep 05, 2010 7:12 am

As much as fans absolutely would love to see the return of the '82 Trans Am in the motion picture, it's simply not going to happen. We have greatly recognized the fan's desire to see this happen but you have to look at it from a story and production based point of view.

First off, this is Knight Rider, retold in our modern day as if Michael Knight and Wilton existed in the real world right now - fighting crime in supercar K.I.T.T.. This is not a continuation of the original series nor is it written to be an exact re-enactment of the original pilot. Originally it was planned to mimic Knight of the Phoenix, unfortunately that plan had to be changed. This is mostly due to the fact the script has had to be rewritten four times now. The studio system is relentless and the legal system even more. You're dealing with millions of dollars needed to make a motion picture and every studio brass and investor wants to feel like they have a say. Maintaining creative control is a massive uphill battle.

Imagine trying to retell the story of Knight Rider with four different approaches. All with the same characters, same black, talking, red roving scanner, supercar named K.I.T.T. but alternative backstories and origins. I really can't convey to you how frustrating it is trying to make a movie as original as possible - and still maintain the elements that keep it recognizable to the original audience that put it on the map. You the fans DO matter, but like with Nolan's new take on Batman - this is a newfound approach that might take some getting used to. Still, we are not completely jumping the shark as Knight Rider: The Series did. I will explain a bit more in another thread because I don't want to go off on a tangent here.

From a production perspective, Skav and the others are absolutely correct. The Trans Am is no longer produced by Pontiac. Also from a story point of view if Knight Rider was real, taking place today - then the Trans Am would have never been chosen as K.I.T.T. because K.I.T.T. never existed as a Trans Am until now - his first "production line model" would be a modern car that exists today, not 30 years ago. I am not at liberty to disclose which car we are pursuing for the new K.I.T.T. but design wise, K.I.T.T. will still feel like K.I.T.T. should.

As for these points here:

There are several examples that leaving an essential part of a stroy untouched leads to success, i.a.

Star Trek Movie: The plot was based on a totally different actor crew. However, the creators decided not to change the essential part of the movie: the ENTERPRISE. That could be a reason why people liked the movie as they could build up a connection by the former ENTERPISE ship (which was the same as in the traditional series) used which people simply knew. If they were seeing the ship in trailer, they possibly felt a close connection from (old) memories to the new movie.


- If you are referring to Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979), it was not as largely successful as Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn - this is mostly due to the fact the first motion picture had far too much exposition and not a strong enough villain to carry the film. Yes, they used The Enterprise but they used a new design for it - based on the original ship, not the exact same vessel.

If you are referring to Star Trek (2010) - Here is where I have to both agree and disagree with you. As for the cast, they replaced just about every actor (except Nimoy/Spock) with a younger crew baring the same names we've recognized from the original series. They also heavily altered the design of The Enterprise but kept the same basic concept of a dish, nacells, and so on. J.J. Abrams has stated it was very important not to completely dismiss the original design concepts of the previous Star Trek series. This is not unlike what the Knight Rider motion picture is trying to do - keep the same design feel and characters in tact. However where Knight Rider differs from Star Trek (2010) is that in Star Trek you have the luxury of time travel which alters how the future is written. These kind of concepts do not belong in Knight Rider.

Knight Rider is not being written as taking place in '82, where something happens and the crew is younger or whatever - Knight Rider is being written as if Michael Long, Tanya Walker, Wilton Knight, Devon Miles, and Knight Industries/F.L.A.G./The Knight Foundation exist today, operating in a veil of secrecy we're not aware of. An event happens of such importance that it forces Wilton to make a decision and that decision exposes the existance of this illusive organzation to the public eye and with that K.I.T.T., "the car of tomorrow".

I strongly believe people will love K.I.T.T. and build a connection to him. K.I.T.T. might be in a new body of sorts but the silicon soul is still very much in place as is the turbulant partnershp with Michael. This is our Knight Rider, but this is Knight Rider retold. Much like Nolan's Batman movies - its a timeless story we're aware of, told in a new and exciting perspective.

So in that sense, Knight Rider's motion picture is very much in line with what Star Trek (2010) accomplished. Star Trek (2010) was successful not just because of The Enterprise revamp design (Which some fans did not like, btw) but also a strong story that did not alienate its original fandom. However, in the world of Abrams Star Trek, we have the same characters we've recognized by name replaced with new and younger faces writing their own adventures.

Knight Rider: The Series did the opposite - Gary Scott Thompson's approach nearly completely revised the events in David Andron's backdoor pilot save for the character names and the use of K.I.T.T. being a Shelby GT500KR. Very little attention was given to the original series mythology, we were simply told that that was then and this is now. No pictures of Wilton Knight, no chesspiece logos, no semi, no visual mentions of Bonnie or Devon as people and not just convienent "code names". Not even a proper original K.A.R.R. backstory - Nothing. We didn't even get any trace of Hasselhoff's actions in the backdoor pilot, just some dumb reference to Michael Long being a pornstar name.

This is unacceptable for a "continuation" and I will defend that belief to my last breath. Knight Rider: The Series had potential but not a competent person who understood the original series it was based on "continuing" to steer the creative ship. Instead we got something that was for lack of a better word, "alien" to us - a series called "Knight Rider" in name only. Visually superior to Team Knight Rider but just as badly written - except TKR actually tried to keep some of the original mythology in tact which is something I will always respect over the newer series.

Some names we recognized but without the firm visual cues to connect it to the original series we hold so dear. Some people out there, perhaps newer fans who didn't grow up with the original series chose to embrace this brand new approach and there's nothing wrong with that. However where Knight Rider: The Series differs from Knight Rider: The Motion Picture is that we're not trying to continue a mythology, we're rebuilding it from the ground up.

Knight Rider: The Series had a responsibility to remain bound by the timeline of events that occured in the original series and it chose to neglect that commitment. We have no such boundries - we can do what we choose to do and we can do it because there is no back history to stay commited to, we're a clean slate.

Where Knight Rider: The Motion picture does have a responsibility is to make sure our new mythology still have recognized elements from the original source material. One element that Knight Rider will always have in place is that no matter the approach K.I.T.T. must turbo boost. In our new mythology, Michael Long still gets shot in the face and left for dead.

None of this tacked on - someone dies but people still know who he is because he has the same face nonsense.

With that said, I believe the Knight Rider movie can be just as successful.


A-Team: As discussed als here: People really liked to see the old Van from the old series. Again, totally different cast, but one stable element: The old Van. Many of my colleagues mentioned that it was great to see that, even only in short scenes.

- The "old van" was destroyed in a matter of 15 minutes into the movie and that was it. It got a small cameo at best and then it was discarded. I'm sure it will return in a sequel but still. A-Team is a good example of using recognizable design with a strong story however unlike A-Team which is based mostly on military operatives - Knight Rider stands apart as infinately more recognizable to children as well as adults. Adults will love the story, kids will love the car.

A-Team because of this specialized audience geared mostly for adults was not as largely successful as it could have been. It did not perform as expected and it took nearly 10 years to develop from one script draft to the next. However, at least it managed to get made and retain many of the original elements from the original series. For me, I loved the A-Team movie. I thought it was smart, funny, and well on point with the original series by not alienating its core audience.

However, I enjoyed A-Team more for the casting and the story - rather than simply seeing just the A-Team van in action.

Lastly, regarding Hasselhoff taking on a "Devon" role. Firstly, if this is Knight Rider as it takes place today - having Hasselhoff play Devon or any other character would just feel like some bizzare parraell world. It makes no visual sense to have him in the picture as some lead character other than Michael Knight. I am however not opposed to a cameo of some sort. Honestly, I adore David and I've met him several times but I just don't feel he's as strong an actor today as he was 30 years ago to handle a large role. That's my opinion on that matter.

As for William Daniels reprising the voice of K.I.T.T., I'm all for it and so is Glen. We are however greatly concerned about his age though. With Knight Rider, we're trying to establish a franchise which would involve a trilogy of movies if successful - whoemver stars in the first movie would need to be commited enough to stick with the rest of the films that would come along further down the line. These days Hollywood wants at least a three picture deal in place.

Given Daniel's age, it would really come down to just how much passion he had to embrace the role. I would love to have Daniels return ala Peter Cullen in Transformers, but I just don't know if that's feasable.

Glen, Scheffe, and I are concepting together to try and bring you the motion picture you've been waiting for. Please understand though since it has taken so very long to get things where they are - times have changed, expectations have changed, and the entertainment world has changed. We can only hope to get through the script approval process with our ideas in tact.

I have personally read Glen's scripts from day 1 and I have done everything in my power to keep the movie where it needs to be so that it acknowledges the original fanbase while allowing Glen to explore new ideas he was not able to properly pursue due to budget and time constraints of the original series. This includes an expansion on where Knight Industries came from beyond simply Wilton's engineering prowess.

It's an uphill battle to keep creative control, especially when a director is involved who will insist on changing things to suit his needs or bring in his crew to "polish" things.

All we can do is try our best in a world of cheaply spun out sequels and remakes...

To make a motion picture that makes a difference...a trend setter, not a trend follower.


In Glen Larson, I trust.

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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby WIBoomer1 » Sep 05, 2010 7:41 pm

Nick hits on all the points. Will the fans be disappointed if KITT isn't a T/A? let's hope they get over it when KITT does his first Live Action Non-CGI Turbo Boost in the movie!

About the Enterprise in ST:XI...if you look carefully at it, the saucer is mostly straight out of ST:TMP. As long as you have the 2 nacelles, cigar-engineering hull and Saucer primary, you can't screw up an egg too much...
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby DevonStyles » Sep 06, 2010 12:40 am

They should only use the old Kitt to bridge the gap to the new one. I don't think they should pretend the old Kitt never existed. I don't think the mass audience would be interested in a 1982 Trans Am. We would all be, but that's another story.

I say Give Kitt one more last ride for the old school fans, perhaps Kitt could give his life to pass the torch to the new Kitt... Who knows?

Every show is different in it's importance places on certain things.

Look at the transformers sage....... If they would have went old school, bumble bee would have been a VW bug
The A-Team can get away with the van because the van was just transportation and not a character in the show.

Us KR fans will accept just about anything as Knight Rider because we are Knight rider fans... The show is bigger then just the car.
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby Victor Kros » Sep 06, 2010 8:12 am

DevonStyles wrote:They should only use the old Kitt to bridge the gap to the new one. I don't think they should pretend the old Kitt never existed. I don't think the mass audience would be interested in a 1982 Trans Am. We would all be, but that's another story.

I say Give Kitt one more last ride for the old school fans, perhaps Kitt could give his life to pass the torch to the new Kitt... Who knows?

Every show is different in it's importance places on certain things.

Look at the transformers sage....... If they would have went old school, bumble bee would have been a VW bug
The A-Team can get away with the van because the van was just transportation and not a character in the show.

Us KR fans will accept just about anything as Knight Rider because we are Knight rider fans... The show is bigger then just the car.


- Different studio, different approach. You didn't see Christopher Nolan showing Tim Burton's Batmobile in Batman Begins did you? - or photos of Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, or Clooney? In Glen's world of "Knight Rider" today, the "original" K.I.T.T. never existed until today - you can't show something that doesn't exist as a lead - it's a serious continuity error. I am however not opposed to some sort of easter egg but as far as passing the torch is concerned - to who? There is no one to pass the torch to in this new mythology - this is the genesis story of Michael and K.I.T.T from Day 1 of their first meeting.

In a perfect world, Universal would have involved Glen in their plans and worked with him to make a Knight Rider movie that continued where the original series left off with Hoff, the Trans Am, and so on. Instead they chose to go around him. Because of that choice, he won't work with them. He has to go elsewhere and rebuild a property that he feels has been tainted beyond repair by horrible "continuation" concepts. He spells this out clearly in his Foreword inside The Knight Rider Companion.

NBCU would have had a better shot at making Knight Rider: The Series work if they had just been honest and called it a remake which is clearly what it tried to be under GST's watch. NBCU is the reason we don't have any more official merchandise (domestically) or why we don't have a proper sucessful series or motion picture. Facts are facts.

The closest you ever got to "passing the tourch" was Andron's tv movie.

The closest hope we have left as fans of Knight Rider's legacy continuing on is Glen's movie.

This new mythology is going to be different than the original in some ways, but it is still "Knight Rider" brought back by the man who created the original concept just as The A-Team was brought back by Stephen J. Cannell .

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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby DarylKnight » Sep 06, 2010 1:29 pm

VK makes great points, and personally, reading what he will disclose, actually excites me!

I do think if Daniels doesn't return as the voice of KITT, how simply fantastic a cameo would it be, if he and Hasselhoff (maybe as father and son) could just maybe show up to complement our modern day Micheal Knight and "KITT" with simply "hey, nice car" as he gets into a fully restored 82 Recaro Trans Am, and our modern day Micheal simply responds "you too". And maybe David says in the background "Hey, lemme drive this thing" only to meet a "not a chance" from Daniels. Anything like that, would just be fantastic.

Theres my KR's worth of two cents for the day! :)
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby Nicholas Knight » Sep 12, 2010 10:47 am

VK....(The Mysterious Inside Man)....hits the nail on the head once again!! If KITT is to be current, then he has to be a modern looking car, whether it is a name brand car or customized with homages to the AM ((and maybe the Stang). I'd love to have a Hoff cameo, kinda like what Ferrigno did in the Hulk movie. My idea of a funny cameo would be for HOFF to say to the newest incarnation of MK, "Sweet car, love the color...you gotta buy a black jacket to match!!", only for the new MK to say, "Wouldn't that be hot to wear in the summer!?!?" and walk away smiling.

Personally, I'd love for KITT to be a customized car, with the brand logo to be the Knight Symbol. But that would be a good and bad thing. Good for a kickass look and uniqueness for KITT, but at the same time I wouldn't see any similar cars on the highway and think "KITT" like I currently think when I see a Firebird, AM, Mustang, or Camaro. So I'm kinda stuck in the middle as my idea of a proper KITT. I hope Daniels is able to be KITT for old times sake, but if he isn't I've noticed when Rob Schneider actual voice is kinda similar to Daniels. I really didn't latch on Kilmer's robotic voice as KITT....

And since it looks like Brandon Routh may not be doing any Superman films currently, he'd be a nice selection to be Micheal Knight. But that's just my opinion, so no "hate mail", please.......lol
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby MJknight » Nov 12, 2010 10:20 am

einzwei wrote:After having read your entries regarding the envisaged KR movie, I want to share my following thoughts (as some of you already did in the same way).

Being a fan of KR since more or less twenty years, I personally think that the biggest mistake the creators of the movie can do is the change the original K.I.T.T. (from the original TV series) to a new model.

Why? The movie will be directed to the main target group of the 14-35 years old. Image the movie with (necessarily) new actors and a completely new designed K.I.T.T.. What would be the result? Those targeted people normally interested in the movie (as they know and like it from former times) will, in that case, certainly look for the "link" to the original series they liked. This link, in my opinion, can only be two fold: The old K.I.T.T. and/or the old cast. Consequently, this can only be the original K.I.T.T. (as, of course, the old actors can and will not play the roles again). If there is no link to the series people remember, they could regard the movie as a totally new one, as some new movie with some "speaking car" (which in my opinion happened to new KR series).

There are several examples that leaving an essential part of a stroy untouched leads to success, i.a.
- Star Trek Movie: The plot was based on a totally different actor crew. However, the creators decided not to change the essential part of the movie: the ENTERPRISE. That could be a reason why people liked the movie as they could build up a connection by the former ENTERPISE ship (which was the same as in the traditional series) used which people simply knew. If they were seeing the ship in trailer, they possibly felt a close connection from (old) memories to the new movie.
- A-Team: As discussed als here: People really liked to see the old Van from the old series. Again, totally different cast, but one stable element: The old Van. Many of my colleagues mentioned that it was great to see that, even only in short scenes.

Back to KR, here it is even more crucial to rely on the old K.I.T.T. as it has such an important role an can even be seen as an "actor" besides Micheal Knight etc. :kitt:

What do you think?

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I understand your concerns and I agree that the original series should be referenced and honoured to a point.

But what people need to remember is that this is Knight Rider for a new age whilst catering to the original and existing audience.

It would be nice if the Trans Am could make a cameo, but as already covered - Pontiac is now a memory.

The Camaro is the most logical choice to portray the Knight Industries Two Thousand.

As for the original cast making appearances.....I think it's doubtful that David will be in, he might be asked to help promote it. I don't think Daniels will be in, you might get actors like Rebecca Holden or Peter Parros to make cameos, but at the end of the day as long as the writing is faithful and true to the original but tweeked for the modern audience, then the movie alone will honour the Franchise.
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby Knight94 » Nov 12, 2010 7:15 pm

Here's my take on the movie storyline/plot: Michael Long is a Vegas detective, shot in the line
of duty, while investigating a case of corporate espionage. Tanya Walker, the thief & shooter, is
involved with Garthe Knight, Wilton Knight's spiteful, power-hungry son. Garthe has stolen KARR,
the Knight Automated Roving Robot, and wants to re-activate the deadly machine, to carry out his
vendetta against his frail & dying father, by taking Knight Industries from him, knowing his vengence
will kill his father. He has to have a special component to do this, and that's where the theft takes
place. Michael is rescued by Wilton, and given a new face, name, recruited to join the Knight Foundation,
aka FLAG, and gets KITT, the Knight Industries Three Thousand. They hunt down & find Garthe & Tanya,
along with KARR, already carrying out their dangerous agenda.
It's possible to utilize certain other characters from the original pilot & series, including Bonnie, April, RC3,
and/or others. Still though, this is not an exact re-enactment of the original pilot. It takes certain elements
& uses them in this movie, to make a somewhat different plot.
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby TurboBoostMan » Nov 13, 2010 2:14 pm

this is a very long forum and im not about to read every single post on here, so if someones already said this, forgive me. I think a cameo of Hasselhoff, a KI2T replica(with Bill Daniels doing the voice), quite possibly the KI3T(with Val Kilmer as the voice), some of the same SFX from the original series like, Turbo Boost, the Scanner, maybe the Trubine, etc. and the original theme song. Also, some functions from the original show that we didnt see too much of in the original or even the newer series like, Ski Mode, Grappling Hook, we didnt see much of Turbo Boost in the new one, umm... anything else that wasnt used often. That's my opinion.
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby New KITT » Nov 17, 2010 8:45 am

I think the new KITT is pretty cool. And the old one would not fit so well to the present day.
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby TurboBoostMan » Nov 18, 2010 5:51 pm

New KITT wrote:I think the new KITT is pretty cool. And the old one would not fit so well to the present day.

yes, the new KITT is very cool, though to some, the original KITT wouldnt be fit in the present day, most of us Knight Rider fans, who like the original KR more than the new KR (like myself), we would rather see the original KITT than the new one. And there are more of us who like the KI2T more than the KI3T. just my 2 cents.
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby Transparent » Nov 25, 2010 12:28 pm

I suspect that any Knight Rider movie made today needs to do the following to be successful:

Recognise that a Knight Rider Movie should essentially be a buddy movie.

Recognise that a Knight Rider Movie should include huge real-world stunts

Recognise that as a concept Knight Rider cant *really* be taken that seriously and so should be fun.
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby WIBoomer1 » Dec 01, 2010 12:17 am

I agree on the middle one, but not the first 2.

#1. A Buddy film? more like someone who feels that the world is against him, and is reluctantly partnered with this advanced AI. He doesn't want any part of being responsible for something or someone else, because his whole world has been torn from him. He wants justice and revenge for that. Nothing is going to stop him, and he only (at first) feels hindered by the situation given to him by being partnered with KITT.

#3. There should be humor, but camp would be the wrong way to go. It needs to have the real live action that isn't happening right now because of CGI. When was the last real good chase pursuit scene you've seen? I want it to be KR TMP!
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby Samborghini » Dec 01, 2010 7:14 am

Because I'm sad, i did a poll recently and showed the members of my class the Knight Rider Online website, 30 people in the group (myself included) only 5 knowing what Knight Rider is and only 2 seeing the 2008 series (myself Included). I asked them which car they prefer the look of KI2T or KI3T. A vast majority of 21 prefer KI2T and 8 preferred KI3T. (I excluded myself from the poll). The reason I think this is would be because KI3T clearly resembles a Mustang which a lot of people recognize but KI2T especially ones who haven't seen Knight Rider and don't know about cars wouldn't know it's a 1980's Pontiac Trans-am and in the present day is a 20 year old car despite that fact though, they still found KI2T to be 'cooler' than KI3T.
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby roDa » Dec 01, 2010 12:15 pm

Wow, that's an interesting finding. I certainly find KI2T cooler, but I wasn't sure of other people's opinions... It would be interesting to make a bigger poll to know more about people's opinion in general, perhaps a "modern" KITT isn't needed... Sometimes I spend time thinking of suitable nowadays cars to be KITT but I certainly can't find a better car than the Pontiac... Perhaps the movie producers could carry out a poll to make a better decision on KITT's model...
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby musicmaniac1965 » Dec 05, 2010 8:29 am

a new knight rider movie would be great, but i can understand why they would not be using the orginal '82 trans am, as the remaining car owners would not like to see their car doing stunts that will definaltely wreck them. ofcourse they could re create the look by using computer graphics, but seeing the movie is not supposed to be the same story, but more how FLAG would be if it just would start to exist in current times. and by doing so, they will need a car with better specs than the old trans am. still, i hope they keep the soul alive. i can't get enough watching the old 4 seasons from start to end, and a movie that does not have soul, would ruin it for me. i hope they stay true to the humor of how michael and kitt where together :-D

any news when the movie would be released? i gues it will be a rough estimation, as it seems rather difficult putting a movie of "the knight rider" together :-)
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby DMC4EVER » Dec 05, 2010 9:46 am

They must not make the same mistakes they made with KR 2008, they shut use an sleek cool car, not an havy ugly mustang. :kitt: They must use KI2Ts voice again, and the cool dashboard :dash4: if they whill do that,then whill I be verry happy
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby Josch Schulz » Dec 13, 2010 1:31 pm

Cool dash, that was a good one :lol: :lol:
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby Knight2000 » Dec 16, 2010 8:01 pm

WIBoomer1 wrote:#1. A Buddy film? more like someone who feels that the world is against him, and is reluctantly partnered with this advanced AI.

+1. Even in the Pilot of TOS, Michael didn't want to partner up with Wilton Knight - he wanted to work alone. At the beginning of the Pilot, Michael is anti-KITT. By the end, they're a team and he actually cares for the AI! Maybe there could have been a reason why he distrusts AI in the new film?

WIBoomer1 wrote:#3. There should be humor, but camp would be the wrong way to go.

I hate camp humour. In the 80s, it was fine. In the modern era, it needs to be worked in carefully. I'd rather have a darker, edgier movie than have awkward attempts at humour. I cringed at the "masturbation" scene in Transformers. It ruined the film IMO.

Personally, as long as they have the key elements of what makes "Knight Rider" so, I'm happy. I've accepted that there will be no Trans-Am as the main car. I hope they will use the modern equivalent of the T/A. If KITT was a modified two-seat sports car, then whatever the modern equivalents is is what should be used. I'd hope it'd be such that they can use stunt cars rather than rely entirely on CGI.

The new A-team film IMO was a mediocre film. If you took the name of the "A-team" out, plus the characters' names, there's nothing special or spectacular. "Specialise in the ridiculous" - WTF??!?!? I want the Knight Rider film to be better than that by comparison. It doesn't need T&A like the new series seemed to rely on. As long as the writing is good, I'm happy.
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby iKITT » Dec 16, 2010 9:50 pm

Knight2000 wrote:
WIBoomer1 wrote:#1. A Buddy film? more like someone who feels that the world is against him, and is reluctantly partnered with this advanced AI.

+1. Even in the Pilot of TOS, Michael didn't want to partner up with Wilton Knight - he wanted to work alone. At the beginning of the Pilot, Michael is anti-KITT. By the end, they're a team and he actually cares for the AI! Maybe there could have been a reason why he distrusts AI in the new film?

Certainly the whole "technology will eventually kills us all" could play into that nicely. Michael would naturally distrust KITT if he had that outlook on technology. If we factor in that he was a military man (as in the pilot, he was said to have gotten a steel plate in his head possibly from a war injury unless I'm dreamin' that) he could have a sense of old-fashioned fighting with guns and the like versus sending robots to do half or more of the work. Maybe technology replaced him in the field and he resents it? There could be many ways to spin the story to have distrust between Michael and KITT in the start.
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby Iron KITT » Dec 17, 2010 11:20 am

Certinely expand that idea that was in the Pilot, I think would give the new film a darker edge, I always liked that opening sequence to James Bond Casino Royale, "M" stating to Bond about being a blunt intsrument in todays world of what it takes to be a 00 status agent and his reply being half monk, half hitman in a modern world of spies.

I kind of like that idea for the new Michael Knight, or Michael Long first, showing more of his military past, that he was infact a deadly weapon himself, the old skool way, hated technology, maybe people he knew lost in secret programes, experiments etc, so he totally resents technology so when he lays eyes on KITT he goes nuts to begin with.

I think a Chris Nolan approach is called for in giving the franchise a new fresh look, abit of Bourne Identity stuff thrown in as well. Go much deeper into the world of Michael Knight, the technology itself and on the original outline go deeper into the dangerious world of why a man like Michael Knight needs to be a reality of.
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Re: Biggest mistake on KR movie

Postby brentnall_KR » Jan 06, 2011 11:00 pm

Hi Guys,

This is my first post, so go easy on me.

Im 21 Years of age and im from the UK.. To be honest, as a fan of all the shows & movies (apart from the movie that was nothing to do with the usual story lines) this is the first I have heard of a motion picture to be produced.

From reading the above, I can see all different points being made and know exactly what everybody is on about. - The only thing that I have a problem with is.. Its ok saying that the movie needs/would like to be based around the first ever pilot (as if KR never existed, and this movie would be the first we had ever heard of KITT or M.Knight).. But what we have got to take into consideration is that its almost 30years since the first original series hit the screens & also "the car of tomorrow's" technology needs to be mass-updated. Bare with me - relating to Ian Flemings James Bond - Die Another Day, the Aston Martin Vanquish(British) that was used had up-to-date technology, but still not available to vehicles today. ie, camaflouge/invisibility. Although its not available to todays cars or anybody for that matter, it is still beleivable just like in the original series KR. - As much as I enjoyed the new series of KR Series 1 (wished they'd make a series 2), having a car that is basically the fastest in the world to be shown as a Shelby Mustang was insane. I mean, it weighs over 1.75tonne, no sporty looks at all, no sleekness, it didnt merge into todays view of cars.. Saying this though, I wouldnt want to see a Corvette or a Nissan Skyline acting as a supercar either. Keep the tradition, introduce the newer version of a Pontiac into the film.

The story plot does not bother me at all, because i know deep thought will be taking into mass consideration into making this one hell of a big hit. The car needs to stand out though, it needs to have street credit, it needs characteristic, it needs to be realistic, its a must. Nissan GTR? And for goodness sake, not a Prius..

The new series of KR - KITT was invaded with CGI, scrap the self repairable ex-o-skeleton shell, go old school, replace it back to the old molecular bonded shell metal compound. At least that is in existance - but then again, it needs to be something new? Maybe combining the two car protection systems together maybe more new generation? The car takes damage to the visual eye, but actually its the shell that computerises damage, not phsical? Once damage occurs, camaflouge can not be used etc etc. I know there are loads of ideas out there, but from a boys perspective that grew up watchin all the shows continuously, ideas are always noted onto how to make it better. Needs to have a good dash, maybe again old skool like this.. :dash4: ? The saying "what is this looks like Darth Vaders bathroom" is a classical phrase, so that has got to be used?

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